Furryfrog02 Posted February 21 · Supporter Share Posted February 21 I am slowly working my way through a bunch of unidentified LRBs and photographing/Identifying them. I was working on this one the other day and when it came time to properly ID it, I couldn't find a match. It is clearly Crispus and the reverse is clearly BEATA TRANQVILLITAS. But nowhere am I able to find an obverse/reverse die match like my coin. My identification is as follows: Crispus Follis Trier Obverse: CRISPVS NOB CAES, laureate and cuirassed bust right Reverse: BEATA TRAN-QVILLITAS, •PTR(crescent) Globe set on altar inscribed VO/TIS / XX I think the reverse could be a match for RIC VII Trier 399, however, mine doesn't have the stars above the altar. Perhaps they were just somehow filled in on the die? Here is an example from wildwinds: But the obverse is obviously not a match. The closest obverse die match I can find anywhere is this one from wildwinds but it doesn't look quite right. Trier RIC VII 309 var. And obviously, the reverse isn't correct. Anyways, I thought it was interesting. I used the resources at my disposal (wildwinds, constantinethegreatcoins, acsearch, vcoins) but was unable to find a match. What do you all think? 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ominus1 Posted February 21 · Supporter Share Posted February 21 ..here's a left facing portrait with that type of reverse ..i have 4 left out of 7 Crispus coins...;) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 21 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 21 If I'm not mistaken, @ominus1, your mint mark is STR crescent? Mine is most definitely PTR Crescent. I like that left facing portrait! I don't have many coins with left facing portraits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Victor_Clark Posted February 21 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted February 21 It's RIC VII Trier 407 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted February 21 · Patron Share Posted February 21 I have a similar one from Trier: Crispus, 316-326 CE. Roman billion centenionalis, 2.83 g, 19.1 mm, 1 h. Trier, 322-323 CE. Obv: IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES, laureate bust, right, wearing trabea, holding eagle-tipped scepter. Rev: BEATA TRAN-QVILLITAS, globe set on altar inscribed VO/TIS/XX; above, three stars; in exergue, •PTR•. Refs: RIC vii, p. 198, 376. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted February 21 · Member Share Posted February 21 (edited) These coins are fun. Lots of fun bust variations that could be a collection in themselves. Here are a couple of my Trier Crispi. The second one bought from @Victor_Clark in 2018! Crispus, 322 IVL CRISPVS NOB CAES, Laureate, curiassed bust left, spear across right shoulder, shield on left arm. BEATA TRANQVILLITAS, Globe on altar inscribed VOTIS XX, above, three stars. STR dot in ex. Ref: RIC VII Trier 347 Crispus A.D. 323 IVL CRISPVS NOB C; laureate, wearing trabea, eagle tipped sceptre in right hand. BEATA TRAN-QVILLITAS; globe set on altar inscribed VO/TIS/XX; above, three stars. In ex. • STR crescent RIC VII Trier 405 Edited February 21 by Orange Julius 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 21 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 21 7 hours ago, Victor_Clark said: It's RIC VII Trier 407 You sir, are awesome. I forgot to check OCRE. Refining my search down, I managed to get it https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.7.tri.407 Might I ask what you used to find it? It's a bummer that there is not an accompanying image for reference. I'm a visual guy myself and sometimes I gloss over a wall of text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted February 21 · Member Share Posted February 21 @Furryfrog02 if you dont have access to RIC VII, you can always check Nummus Bible database. In fact they are right now searching for a pic of your exact coin, which means that it is probably rare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 21 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 21 6 hours ago, seth77 said: @Furryfrog02 if you dont have access to RIC VII, you can always check Nummus Bible database. In fact they are right now searching for a pic of your exact coin, which means that it is probably rare. I didn't know about this website! Probably because it is in French. 😛 I emailed the website and asked if they would be interested in my coin for their example. We shall see. Thanks for the new resource as well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 22 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 22 As an update, I reached out to David, the owner of that website, and asked if he would be interested in my pictures. He just replied a bit ago that he would - so I sent him the picture posted here. Hopefully it will be good enough for him to add. 🙂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted February 22 · Member Share Posted February 22 I always check it for Late Romans, it's very helpful if you don't have RIC VII onward, but even if you have it, it's a decent resource to extrapolate the relative rarity of a given variation in the overall type. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 22 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 22 18 minutes ago, seth77 said: I always check it for Late Romans, it's very helpful if you don't have RIC VII onward, but even if you have it, it's a decent resource to extrapolate the relative rarity of a given variation in the overall type. Unfortunately, I don't have any physical resources beyond a book on Byzantine coins. I've learned everything I know - admittedly not a ton compared to most people on here - via sources online. I am forever grateful to the people who have made all this knowledge available, for free, to the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 23 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 23 I received an email back from David and he believes that it is an "antique imitation" due to the lack of the dot before the PTR. I wonder if the lack of dot could be attributed to the same reason there are a lack of stars and also the weakness of the legend in the altar...? Something to do with the die itself? I'm not sure what the terminology would be for ancient coins but with modern stuff, we call it "grease-filled die" where grease and gunk get into the die during the minting process. Or - it could indeed be an imitation. What do y'all think? @Victor_Clark any thoughts? Since you were the first to bring the RIC VII Trier 407 to attention I'd be curious to know what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Victor_Clark Posted February 23 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted February 23 Sure it could be an unofficial issue. It could also be clogged dies/ weak strike. Notice that most of VOTIS XX is also missing; but some is there; which indicates clogged dies/ weak strike. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted February 23 · Supporter Author Share Posted February 23 Thanks. That was what I suspected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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