Deinomenid Posted September 10, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2023 I'm reading about Aegina turtles and in an article in French on the Albanian huge hoard, the author says "D'autre part le flan est en général moins large mais plus massif que dans la classe 6 : sa tranche, épaisse et droite, présente des irrégularités; on y constate le passage, probablement, du moulage à la nouvelle technique du débitage pour la préparation des flans." Which means, roughly, I think "On the other hand, the blank/flan is generally less wide but more massive than in class 6: its edge, thick and straight, presents irregularities; we see the transition, probably, from molding to the new technique of debitage for the preparation of blanks." What is debitage? I'm poor on minting techniques, but have looked it up and the only context I can find is stone age tool making debris. noun - Archaeology. lithic debris and discards found at the sites where stone tools and weapons were made. (It says 1, But there no 2 etc)! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted September 10, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Débitage translates as ‘cutting up’. Presumably, cutting flans from sheets instead of moulding individually. Edited September 10, 2023 by John Conduitt 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted September 10, 2023 · Member Share Posted September 10, 2023 This is the technique of slicing « washers » in a metal rod, so they did the same thing to produce new blanks. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLTcoins Posted September 10, 2023 · Member Share Posted September 10, 2023 I ran French débitage through Google Translate. It translates into English as "debitage". Note the absence of the accent mark. 🤔🤨😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted September 10, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ocatarinetabellatchitchix said: This is the technique of slicing « washers » in a metal rod, so they did the same thing to produce new blanks. This must be a possibility as it’s how Russian wire money and Charles I Rose farthings were made. Edited September 10, 2023 by John Conduitt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliodromus Posted September 11, 2023 · Member Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 hours ago, John Conduitt said: This must be a possibility as it’s how Russian wire money and Charles I Rose farthings were made. There were cast rods, with marked subdivisions found during an excavation of the Trier mint: This is Fig 12 on p.380 of the article by Joachim Hope (in german) available here: https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/tz/issue/view/4205 If you download the PDF you can use the Google translate web site to translate it to english. 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted September 11, 2023 · Supporter Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 13 hours ago, DLTcoins said: I ran French débitage through Google Translate. Why thank you! 😀 I had a slight sense of humour failure when I did the same before posting. Google Translate is amazing in many ways but numismatics is not its forte. For example from French it insists on calling coins corners (which is a possible translation) and obverses rights. So the obverse of a FDC coin was the "right of a flower corner". All the more ironic as FDC is a French term. Greatly appreciate the answers here. I just could not picture what they meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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