Prieure de Sion Posted May 20, 2023 · Member Share Posted May 20, 2023 This evening I am happy to have found and bought another - so far it seems - unique piece of Commodus from Perge with a depiction of Hermes. The type is not published in the standard references. The coin is now registered alone at RPC Online: https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/25018 Part of my private collection: https://yothr.me/crp/yothr-crp-496-4a-commodus-perge-hermes/ Imperator Caesar Marcus Aurelius Commodus Antoninus Augustus Reign: Commodus Mint: Perge, Pamphylia Date: 180/192 AD Nominal: Bronze Material: AE Diameter: 19.7mm Weight: 2.44g Reference: RPC IV.3 25018 (this coin) RPC Online: https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/25018 Rare: Specimens 1 (0 in the core collections) Provenance: Olympus Numismatik Löhne, Germany (Auction 3, Lot 487) Pedigree: – Special: Unpublished in the standard references Special: Only known example, RPC Online Plate coin Obverse: Laureate bust of Commodus wearing cuirass and paludamentum (?), right Inscription: Μ ΑΥΡ ΚΟΜΜΟ Translation: Marcos Aurelios Kommodos Translation: Marcus Aurelius Commodus Reverse: Hermes standing facing, head right, holding purse and caduceus Inscription: ΠƐΡΓΑΙΩΝ Translation: Pergaion Translation: City of Perge Comment: Perge is an ancient city 14 kilometres inland from the south coast of Turkey and 16 kilometres northeast of Antalya (ancient Attaleia) in Aksu. Along with Side, it was the most important city in Pamphylia. The ruins still standing today give a good impression of a city complex of the late Hellenistic-Roman period. Coming from the coast or from Antalya, the ancient theatre of Perge is located to the west (left). It had a capacity of 14,000 spectators, making it one of the largest of its kind. Between the theatre and the city is a large, well-preserved stadium with 15,000 seats and 50 vaults supporting the still well-preserved rows of seats. Some of them served as shops, every third one as an entrance. Towards the city, there are palace ruins from the imperial period and the large Palaestra, which is part of a large gymnasium. At the west gate are the thermal baths – an aqueduct can also be seen – and behind them the necropolis. The strategically located table mountain in the north has been called the Acropolis since the work of Karl Graf Lanckoronski (1890), because the main street of the city runs right up to it. On the south-eastern edge of the Acropolis was the extensive sanctuary of Artemis (known as Artemis Pergaia), whose cult – as in Ephesus – shaped the arts and the economy. In Greek mythology, Hermes is the patron god of traffic, travellers, merchants and shepherds; on the other hand, he is also the god of thieves, art dealers, rhetoric, gymnastics and thus also of palaestra and magic. As messenger of the gods, he proclaims Zeus’ decisions and leads the souls of the deceased to Hades (the underworld). He is one of the twelve great Olympic gods. Hermes is one of the gods whose cult can be traced back the furthest. According to mythology, he is the messenger of the gods who delivers the message of the gods to mortals and also translates them. His messages are thus not mere communications, but demand insight and understanding. This is why the science of “explaining and understanding” is also called hermeneutics. Hermes, the messenger of the gods, can move faster than light. This is made possible by small wings, two of which are on each of his boots. Before Hermes was born, Iris was a messenger of the gods. Hermes, like other ancient gods (Mithras, Horus/Anubis), was also a pastoral god. Thus he had both mundane and metaphysical tasks: As messenger of Zeus, he was the ultimate lawgiver and highest worldly authority; as psychopompos (“soul guide”), he protected the souls of the deceased on their way to the court of the dead. Among the Greeks, Hermes was usually depicted youthful and beardless, with a broad-brimmed hat, later a winged helmet, winged shoes or winged shoulders and the magically powerful golden staff of Hermes (Latin caduceus). With this Hermes can put people to sleep and cause dreams; the staff is one of his attributes. Next to the staff, which is entwined with two snakes looking at each other, he usually holds a purse in Roman depictions. There seems to have been a distinct and popular cult of Hermes in Perge, with numerous statues and other artefacts found throughout the ancient city: Perge Hermes #1 Perge Hermes #2 Perge Hermes #3 Perge hermes #4 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted May 20, 2023 · Patron Share Posted May 20, 2023 Informative write-up! I'm glad you submitted the coin to RPC. Its editors are great about researching the submitted coins and then publishing them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted May 21, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Prieure de Sion said: This evening I am happy to have found and bought another - so far it seems - unique piece of Commodus from Perge with a depiction of Hermes. The type is not published in the standard references. The coin is now registered alone at RPC Online: https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/25018 Part of my private collection: https://yothr.me/crp/yothr-crp-496-4a-commodus-perge-hermes/ Imperator Caesar Marcus Aurelius Commodus Antoninus Augustus Reign: Commodus Mint: Perge, Pamphylia Date: 180/192 AD Nominal: Bronze Material: AE Diameter: 19.7mm Weight: 2.44g Reference: RPC IV.3 25018 (this coin) RPC Online: https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/25018 Rare: Specimens 1 (0 in the core collections) Provenance: Olympus Numismatik Löhne, Germany (Auction 3, Lot 487) Pedigree: – Special: Unpublished in the standard references Special: Only known example, RPC Online Plate coin Obverse: Laureate bust of Commodus wearing cuirass and paludamentum (?), right Inscription: Μ ΑΥΡ ΚΟΜΜΟ Translation: Marcos Aurelios Kommodos Translation: Marcus Aurelius Commodus Reverse: Hermes standing facing, head right, holding purse and caduceus Inscription: ΠƐΡΓΑΙΩΝ Translation: Pergaion Translation: City of Perge Comment: Perge is an ancient city 14 kilometres inland from the south coast of Turkey and 16 kilometres northeast of Antalya (ancient Attaleia) in Aksu. Along with Side, it was the most important city in Pamphylia. The ruins still standing today give a good impression of a city complex of the late Hellenistic-Roman period. Coming from the coast or from Antalya, the ancient theatre of Perge is located to the west (left). It had a capacity of 14,000 spectators, making it one of the largest of its kind. Between the theatre and the city is a large, well-preserved stadium with 15,000 seats and 50 vaults supporting the still well-preserved rows of seats. Some of them served as shops, every third one as an entrance. Towards the city, there are palace ruins from the imperial period and the large Palaestra, which is part of a large gymnasium. At the west gate are the thermal baths – an aqueduct can also be seen – and behind them the necropolis. The strategically located table mountain in the north has been called the Acropolis since the work of Karl Graf Lanckoronski (1890), because the main street of the city runs right up to it. On the south-eastern edge of the Acropolis was the extensive sanctuary of Artemis (known as Artemis Pergaia), whose cult – as in Ephesus – shaped the arts and the economy. In Greek mythology, Hermes is the patron god of traffic, travellers, merchants and shepherds; on the other hand, he is also the god of thieves, art dealers, rhetoric, gymnastics and thus also of palaestra and magic. As messenger of the gods, he proclaims Zeus’ decisions and leads the souls of the deceased to Hades (the underworld). He is one of the twelve great Olympic gods. Hermes is one of the gods whose cult can be traced back the furthest. According to mythology, he is the messenger of the gods who delivers the message of the gods to mortals and also translates them. His messages are thus not mere communications, but demand insight and understanding. This is why the science of “explaining and understanding” is also called hermeneutics. Hermes, the messenger of the gods, can move faster than light. This is made possible by small wings, two of which are on each of his boots. Before Hermes was born, Iris was a messenger of the gods. Hermes, like other ancient gods (Mithras, Horus/Anubis), was also a pastoral god. Thus he had both mundane and metaphysical tasks: As messenger of Zeus, he was the ultimate lawgiver and highest worldly authority; as psychopompos (“soul guide”), he protected the souls of the deceased on their way to the court of the dead. Among the Greeks, Hermes was usually depicted youthful and beardless, with a broad-brimmed hat, later a winged helmet, winged shoes or winged shoulders and the magically powerful golden staff of Hermes (Latin caduceus). With this Hermes can put people to sleep and cause dreams; the staff is one of his attributes. Next to the staff, which is entwined with two snakes looking at each other, he usually holds a purse in Roman depictions. There seems to have been a distinct and popular cult of Hermes in Perge, with numerous statues and other artefacts found throughout the ancient city: Perge Hermes #1 Perge Hermes #2 Perge Hermes #3 Perge hermes #4 I like the coin. As well as the statue with Hermes' foot resting on a turtle! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septim Posted May 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted May 21, 2023 It seems that I am blind ... Can't find what is different to your coin .... could you please tell me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted May 21, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 21, 2023 Nice coin and one which almost has been lost to history, a great acquisition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted May 21, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, septim said: It seems that I am blind ... Can't find what is different to your coin .... could you please tell me? Cool - where is the source of this coin? Is this the SNG Copenhagen coin? And your second posting - is this a different coin - or the SNG Copenhagen coin? Edit - ah i see - booth postings are the same coin. So actually there are 2 coins from this type. Edited May 21, 2023 by Prieure de Sion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septim Posted May 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted May 21, 2023 The first post is the screenshot of the Isegrim search results referring to the coin in Copenhagen. The other post contain screenshots of SNG Copenhagen (available online) for that coin. You knew about the coin in Copenhagen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septim Posted May 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) I am a bit confused. RPC online is basically doing nothing if a "new" coin is submitted? I expected they would at least do some basic checks (even though I should have known better). Edited May 21, 2023 by septim spelling error; "new" added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted May 21, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, septim said: I am a bit confused. RPC online is basically doing nothing if a "new" coin is submitted? I expected they would at least do some basic checks (even though I should have known better). I'm sure you can contact them to ask them to add the SNG Copenhagen reference, assuming that the coin isn't already in the RPC database. (I have occasionally noticed the same type on RPC repeated under two different numbers.) As far as I know, SNG Copenhagen hasn't been online that long -- it was only fairly recently that it was added to the BNF Gallica online library. Edited May 21, 2023 by DonnaML 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted May 21, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 3 hours ago, septim said: You knew about the coin in Copenhagen? I have searched intensively, but have not found this specimen. But that happens from time to time - you enter slightly different search terms or overlook something and a result slips through - and someone else finds a hit right away. 3 hours ago, septim said: I am a bit confused. RPC online is basically doing nothing if a "new" coin is submitted? I expected they would at least do some basic checks (even though I should have known better). Yes, actually, it is. My submissions have often been corrected, summarised - or references have been added. But even the RPC team can overlook something. 1 hour ago, DonnaML said: I'm sure you can contact them to ask them to add the SNG Copenhagen reference, assuming that the coin isn't already in the RPC database. (I have occasionally noticed the same type on RPC repeated under two different numbers.) As far as I know, SNG Copenhagen hasn't been online that long -- it was only fairly recently that it was added to the BNF Gallica online library. The coin is not available again at RPC. But I have already submitted the SNG reference - should be on RPC Online soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prieure de Sion Posted May 21, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 Edit. SNG Reference is added 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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