Carthage Lover Posted May 14, 2023 · Member Share Posted May 14, 2023 Hi, I am new here, I have recently bought this coin from a trustful byer. I have tried to do some preliminary researches, but I am not able to verify & classify this piece. As I don't have the expertise and material to get more details about it.. I am wondering if there is any one who can help on this. I am attaching this photo along some details of this coin, I am open for further details Thank you 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akeady Posted May 14, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2023 Something like this, I'd say: https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=310821 Not electrum, but copper or a mostly-copper alloy (bronze). The specific gravity you mention is too low to be gold or silver. Aidan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted May 14, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted May 14, 2023 Similar to this shekel of mine, but with different angle of horse's head 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted May 14, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 14, 2023 Looks like a higher denomination of this coin. Carthage Circa 400-350 BCE AE 15mm, 2,4g Head of Tanit to left, wearing wreath of grain ears. Rev. Horse standing right; palm tree in background. MAA 18. SNG Copenhagen 109 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthage Lover Posted May 14, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 hour ago, akeady said: Something like this, I'd say: https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=310821 Not electrum, but copper or a mostly-copper alloy (bronze). The specific gravity you mention is too low to be gold or silver. Aidan. Thank you Aidan, This is really helpful, I calculated the specific gravity at home, It might be more or less 8.5. I though it was Electrum due its goldish color and the quality of it surface. I am trying to find a match for this same coin, this is what I was looking for, at least I can have a definitive idea about it.. I wonder if there is a way to find it, I came across many publications, but no success. Again, thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthage Lover Posted May 14, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 41 minutes ago, kirispupis said: Looks like a higher denomination of this coin. Carthage Circa 400-350 BCE AE 15mm, 2,4g Head of Tanit to left, wearing wreath of grain ears. Rev. Horse standing right; palm tree in background. MAA 18. SNG Copenhagen 109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthage Lover Posted May 14, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 I assume, there is some similarities. I can't confirm if it is a higher denomination of the one your shared. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthage Lover Posted May 14, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 14, 2023 57 minutes ago, expat said: Similar to this shekel of mine, but with different angle of horse's head I agree, there is some similarities. As you listed, the one you share was minted in Spain (Punic era).. the one I have I think was minted in North Africa maybe same third century BC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted May 14, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Carthage Lover said: I assume, there is some similarities. I can't confirm if it is a higher denomination of the one your shared. Thank you Yours is 4.4g and mine is 2.4g, therefore I would expect yours to be a higher denomination - probably along the line of twice mine (chalkous vs dichalkon). As I understand, there's some debate whether these coins were minted in Carthage, Sardinia, or Sicily. Going through ACSearch, I see that their weights are all over the place, so perhaps there were different weight standards across locations and times (and even then bronzes are notorious for varying weights). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthage Lover Posted May 15, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 Great, yes I have seen some articles about the Coinage location debate especially during the Punic era. I am trying to navigate into this topic to better understand the different mechanism. The trouble is, there is many studies done in the North African side comparing to the ones done in the European side. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carthage Lover Posted May 16, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 5/14/2023 at 8:44 PM, akeady said: Something like this, I'd say: https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=310821 Not electrum, but copper or a mostly-copper alloy (bronze). The specific gravity you mention is too low to be gold or silver. Aidan. Hi Again, I have spent a good ament of time reading some online references. I am totally convinced that the piece I have is minted from Electrum (sure with very low percentage of gold as it got its yellowish colour from copper). As per this Article:https://sites.google.com/site/washtenawjustice/numismatics/electrum"The last electrum of Carthage, 218 to 202BC, was 26% to 31% gold"Electrum coin specific gravity can vary depending on % of Copper, Silver and Gold, and evidently it can be less than 10.I have find this piece (Weight: 8.950 grammes, the exact double weight of the one I have) listed on the British Museum collection:https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_1986-0113-4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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