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SERIOUS UPGRADE...FRANCIS II THALER..


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i got this in over the weekend..it was listed with picture as a 1/4 kronenthaler w/o measurements or weight (and for Joseph ll)..i could hardly believe when it slid out of the its package.....from a 3 & 6 kreuzer to a thaler...Christmas in June...

POST ANYTHING YOU FEELS REVELANT! 🙂  Francis ll kronenthaler, Vienna mint, 40mm, 29.04gms

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Nice Kronenthaler, @ominus1.  Sorry I'm a bit late to this...for years I've picked these Austrian-Netherlands types up whenever they go cheap.  They are big favorites of mine - cheap 18th century crowns.  But just this month I branched out with a kronenthaler from Bavaria.  The words "BAIERISCHER KRONTHALER" is on the edge.  Your post gives me an excuse to throw it out here...

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Bavaria 1818 Kronenthaler Maximilian I Joseph Munich Mint (Mint. 163,619) MAXIMILIANUS IOSEPHUS BAVARIAE REX, bare head r. / PRO DEO ET POPULO 1818 . crown above crossed sword and mace / Edge: BAIERISCHER KRONTHALER KM 706.1 (old KM 358.1). (29.24 grams / 39 mm) eBay March 2024 

 

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Nice coins!

Here's my only Frances II thaler, purchased from Hal Blackburn around 1981.

Germany, Free City of Regensburg, Francis II, thaler,  1793.  

KM 469

28.03 grams

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2 hours ago, ChrisB said:

I have one similar to the OP. It looks much nicer than my crappy photos. 

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Wow - I've been collecting these for years (in a haphazard way) and I'd never seen a split-date/angel face mintmark reverse like this for Francis II - at first glance I thought it was one of the earlier types, or a mule.  Now I want one!

Here it is on Numista:  https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces28745.html

Here is one of the earlier types, for Joseph, 1782...and no, it does not look any better in hand.  The good thing is, I can wear it whenever I want to!  Many of these old kronenthalers were holed or jewelry-mounted - I have several, since they sometimes sell for melt or less:

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12 hours ago, Marsyas Mike said:

The good thing is, I can wear it whenever I want to!  Many of these old kronenthalers were holed or jewelry-mounted

The reverse of mine has signs of having been mounted. 

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1 hour ago, ChrisB said:

The reverse of mine has signs of having been mounted. 

I see that now - it would still be welcome in my collection!  That's kind of scarce.  

Those ex-mount solder blobs are kind of hard to see - here's a Salzburg thaler:

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I seem to have kronenthaler fever.  This just came in - minted in Milan, it is called a crocione, but it is to kronenthaler specifications.  The Milan mint issues have FRANCISC on the obverse, and the engraving work in the legends are nicer (in my opinion - look at the numerals in the date).  Too bad about the hole:

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Italy, Milan    1794 M Crocione Francis I (1792-1795) Milan Mint FRANCISC•II•D•G•R•I•S•A• GER•HIE•HVN•BOH•REX•M, laureate bust r. / ARCH•AVST• DVX•BVRG•LOTH•BRAB•COM•FLAN•1794, Burgundian cross with three crowns, Golden Fleece below  (29.00 grams / 39 mm) (holed) eBay March 2024  KM 239 (C 59.1); Davenport 1390; Mont. 165; Gigante 13. Edge Lettering: LEGE ET FIDE

 

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