Benefactor kirispupis Posted August 23, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Hello everyone, Out of interest, I've been putting together a list of kingdoms that meet the following arbitrary requirements: Must have been founded after the death of Alexander the Great Must occur primarily within territory he controlled Must have been ruled primarily by a king or queen (rules out Greek city states) Must have issued coins before 1 CE (needed some end date) The following is what I have so far. Can you think of any others? (Edited: I'll make bold the ones posted. Let's see if we can post them all!) Antigonid Armenia Attalid Baktrian Bithynia Cappadocia (OK, Alexander didn't control this, but it was occupied shortly afterwards by Perdikkas) Characene Cilicia Sophene Galatia Elymais Hyrcania Judea Lagid/Ptolemaic Lysimachid Paphlagonia Parthian Persis Pontic Seleukid Thrace - again a technically, but arguably re-formed under Seuthes III Commagene The following are kingdoms I felt didn't meet my arbitrary rules: Epeiros, since Alexander never controlled it. His mother Olympias was from there and they allied with Macedon, but AFAIK were never under direct rule. Paeonia (for similar reasons) Bosporus Kingdom (Alexander never ruled that territory, nor did any of the Diadochi) Adding my Arsames I coin (Sophene) Edited April 13 by kirispupis 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted August 24, 2022 · Benefactor Author Benefactor Share Posted August 24, 2022 No takers? Feel free to post your own coins from these kingdoms. Maybe we can get them all. I've thought about this some more and feel that Commagene and Sophene should be separate, so that makes 21 (edited post). I debated the Mauryan Empire, but that wasn't founded in territory Alexander controlled, though it eventually occupied some of his former empire. One debate I have is Hyrcania. Andragoras ruled the satrapy of Parthia and Hyrcania and declared his independence from the Seleukids. He was eventually overrun by the Arsacids. Should "Parthia and Hyrcania" be a separate entity, or should I just label it Hyrcania to separate it from Parthia - which is best represented by the Arsacids. Here's a coin that was probably minted by Andragoras. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broucheion Posted August 24, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Hi @kirispupis & All, My contribution for Ptolemy I Soter. From Wikipedia: "When Alexander died in 323 BC, Ptolemy is said to have instigated the settlement of the empire made at Babylon. Through the Partition of Babylon, he was appointed satrap of Egypt, under the nominal kings Philip III and the infant Alexander IV; the former satrap, the Greek Cleomenes, stayed on as his deputy. Ptolemy quickly moved, without authorization, to subjugate Cyrenaica." PTOLEMY I SOTER (SATRAP: 323-305/4 BCE), EGYPT, MEMPHIS, ca 322/321 BCE Au STATER (TETRADRACHM) Size: 12x17 mm Weight: 8.56 g Die Axis: 0 Obv: Athena head in Corinthian helmet decorated with coiled snake, facing right. Plain border. Rev: Nike standing facing left, outstreached right hand holds up victor's crown wreath, left downward arm cradles stylis. To right: ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ. In left field: Rose above ΔΙ (under wing). Plain border. Refs: Lorber CPE-15; Svoronos-Unlisted; SNG Copenhagen-6var (Different symbol & monogram); Price 3969; Zervos (1974), Issue 76 [10 recorded, from 3 obverse dies]. This type known with obverse die links to CPE 14 & CPE 16. - Broucheion Edited April 14 by Broucheion 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapphnwn Posted August 24, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 24, 2022 Okay I will bite. Ar Drachm Kingdom of Cappadocia Ariarathes V Eusebia-Mazaca 130 BC Obv head right diademed Rv Athena standing left holding Nike. Simonetta 15 4.18 grms 18 mm Phot by W. Hansen This individual was active in the politics of the region but generally had a pro Roman bias. Non the less he was a strong philhellene and was honored with Athenian citizenship. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsyas Mike Posted August 24, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 24, 2022 Great idea for a thread @kirispupis - I'd like to tap in with the Characene Kingdom. I'm very fond of the countermarked tetradrachms, which are not very pretty, but kinda lovable nonetheless. Attambelos IV issued a bunch of coins around the time of Nero, but the countermarks were applied years later, around the time the kingdom was disrupted by Trajan's eastern expansion (Characene seems to have yielded to the Romans without a fight, though the area wasn't annexed, I think). Everything I know about these comes from Ed Dobbins here: https://www.academia.edu/4435446/Countermarked_Characene_Tetradrachms_of_Attambelos_IV. The one on the left has three countermarks, the one on the right only two- note the "diadem" countermark is always redundantly placed on the bust's diadem - which is kind of cool if you are a countermark geek: Kingdom of Characene Æ Tet. Attambelos IV SE 375 (63-64 A.D.) See note. Charax-Spasinu Mint Diademed, bearded head right / [BAC...] ATTAM[...], Herakles seated left on rock, holding club; monogram 13 above, symbol ? above knee; [(date) in exergue]. cf. BMC 7; DCA 490. (14.54 grams / 23 x 22 mm) eBay June 2022 Note: Reverse monogram 13 for SE 375 only (63-64 A.D.) Countermark Dobbins 1: Monogram in 4 x 4 mm square. (c. 113-142 A.D.) Countermark Dobbins 5: Anchor 4 x 6 mm outlined. (c. 64-103 A.D.) Countermark Dobbins 6: "Tied diadem" 3 x 5 mm (c. 64-103 A.D.) Ed Dobbins, AJN 1995-1996. Kingdom of Characene Æ Tet. Attambelos IV SE 375 (63-64 A.D.) See note. Charax-Spasinu Mint Diademed, bearded head right / [BAC...] ATTA[M...], Herakles seated left on rock, holding club; monogram 13 above, [symbol above knee]; [(date) in exergue]. cf. BMC 7; DCA 490. (13.40 grams / 24 x 21 mm) eBay June 2022 Note: Reverse monogram 13 for SE 375 only (63-64 A.D.) Countermark Dobbins 1: Monogram in 4 x 4 mm square. (c. 113-142 A.D.) Countermark Dobbins 6: "Tied diadem" 3 x 5 mm (c. 64-103 A.D.) "Countermarked Characene Tetradrachms of Attambelos IV" by Ed Dobbins, AJN 1995-1996. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted August 24, 2022 · Benefactor Author Benefactor Share Posted August 24, 2022 @kapphnwnthat Ariarathes V is stunning! @Marsyas MikeCharacene is one of those I don't have, so good add. Thought I'd add Bithynia. Nikomedes I is one of the few where I have two coins. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted August 24, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 24, 2022 I'm not entirely sure what the rules are, but Seleucid is in the list... Antiochos II Theos Æ18, 261-246BCSardis. Bronze, 18mm, 3.96g. Laureate head of Apollo right. Tripod of Delphi; to left, monogram of HAP; to right, ΜIΛ; in exergue, anchor; (Β)ΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ (Α)ΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ (SC 522.1). 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted August 24, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 24, 2022 Parthia too... Phraates II Chalkous, 132-127BCEkbatana, Parthian Kingdom. Bronze, 15mm, 1.68g. Diademed, short-bearded bust left, no symbols, circular border of pellets. Elephant advancing right on exergual line; no border; legends to left and right, four-line Greek inscription ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΥ ΑΡΣΑΚΟΥ ΘΕΟΠΑΤΟΡΟΣ (Of Great King Arsaces, of Divine Descent) (Sellwood 16.29). 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted August 24, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 24, 2022 This is pushing it, but for 3 years it was the 'last Kingdom of Israel'... Simon Bar Kokhba Revolt, 132-133Judaea. Bronze, 17.5mm, 5.92g. Grape bunch on tendril with branch and small vine leaf; שנת אחת לגאלת ישראל (year one of the redemption of Zion). Seven-branched palm tree with two bunches of dates; כ ה זנ רה א לע (ELAZAR HaKOHEN, Eleazar the Priest) (Meshorer 224). 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted August 25, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 25, 2022 Did the rulers of Media issue coins? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edessa Posted August 27, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2022 Kings of Persis. Ardaxšir (Artaxerxes) II. Circa 1st century BC. AR Obol (10mm, 0.66g, 3h). Obv: Diademed bust left, wearing mural crown. Rev: Ardaxšir (Artaxerxes) II standing left, holding scepter and sacrificing before altar. Ref: Alram 572; Tyler Smith 74-77; Sunrise 596. Very Fine, toned. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulla80 Posted March 28 · Supporter Share Posted March 28 (edited) 21 Thrace (Odrysian Kingdom) - again a technically, but arguably re-formed under Seuthes III 323/322 BC https://www.sullacoins.com/post/seuthes-iii Edited March 28 by Sulla80 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulla80 Posted March 29 · Supporter Share Posted March 29 11.Elymais https://www.sullacoins.com/post/wabi-sabi-embracing-imperfection 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Anthos Posted March 29 · Member Share Posted March 29 Bithynia... Bithynian Kingdom, Reign of Prusias I 228-185 BC AE17 (3.88g) O: Laureate head of Apollo right. R: BAΣIΛEΩΣ and ΠPOYΣIOY on either side of quiver and bow. SNG Cop 146; SNG von Aulock 250; Sear 7263; BMC 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΛΦΩΝΣΟΥ Posted April 13 · Member Share Posted April 13 BACTRIA SOPHYTES. 323-294, tetradrachma. 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted April 13 · Member Share Posted April 13 ...And, Rats, I don't have pics of anything, but what about Nabataea? (Thanks especially to @Sulla80, with his example of Elymais, for jogging my memory.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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