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@ambr0zie nice coin, I have the next one (RRC 385/4) with Cybele

I think your weekend will begin Monday morning 😁 I you can identify a lettertype, give me the number and I can eventually send a example with transcription. I think it will be easier when you have compared a text and transcription to decipher yours. I am often not in Antwerp, so it can take a little week before I answer.

I have to congratulate you, you have the exact translation of your scarab 😀

It is amusing to get some of this things as long as it is not to expensive. If you still smoke, it is a useful thing.

the text and transcription of a part.

Here are some examples of Greek writing alphabet. I join also an example of the first alphabet and the transcription of a part of it.

My last three classical Dioscuri coins and also the last three minted. This kind of coins ends in 121 BC.

RRC 267/1, mint: Rome, 126 BC, 18 mm, 3,75 gr, 12 h, number of dies : 49/61

The apex (obverse)identifies the moneyer as T. Quinctius Flamininus and the Macedonian shield alludes to the victory of T. Quinctius Flamininus, consul in 198 over Philip V of Macedon.

RRC 277/1, mint Rome, 122 BC, number of dies : 135/169. I have this coin twice.The moneyer is Q. Minucius Rufus.

 3,87 gr, 18 cm, 12 h

3.86 gr, 19,5 mm, 12 h

And the last one, coined in 121 BC

RRC 278/1, mint Rome, 121 BC, 17 mm, 3,6 gr, 12 h, number of dies : 120/150.

The form of the letter L is at this date an archaism, such as the coin.The moneyer should be regarded as the son of C. Plautius, praetor in 146.

wonderful collection, you have also 2 quinarii. Wich is the second ?

I think there is a system to translate it, but it is very impressive an other language is accepted. I think it is a very major argument to discuss here and to find new members with  linguistic problems.

I think my Antwerp speaking will not be translated, but in Egypt, I have met a Scottish couple who understand me, talking to my wife. The man said that his local language was very similar.

Next a Dioscuri-coin from the gens Iunia

RRC 220/1, mint Rome, 145 BC, 17 mm, 2,93 gr, 3 h, number of dies : 121/151

The moneyer's cognomen is shown by the ass's head to have been Silanus.

Next one from the gens Aelia : RRC 233/1, mint Rome, 138 BC, 19.5 mm, 3,97 gr, 12 h, number of dies : 73/91

Next denarius I have twice.

RRC 237/1a, mint : Rome, 136 BC, number of dies : 170/212.same size : 17 mm, 3,4 gr, 12 h

The moneyer is CN. Lucretius Trio. There are 2 varieties, one with a necklace of beads (this one), another of pendants. I was making an error and bought the same. Interesting is to see the different styles in the same emission.

@Michael Stolt and @Prieure de Sion beautiful coins

Let's go on with the Dioscuri.

RRC 217/1, mint Rome, 147 BC, 19 mm, 3.94 gr, 6 h, number of dies : 55/69.

The moneyer is perhaps Terentius Lucanus, the master of Publius Terentius Afer, the African playwright.

RRC 218/1, mint Rome, 147 BC, number of dies 73/91. I have this coin twice.

18.2 mm, 4 gr, 6 h

18 mm, 3.3 gr,  6 

The moneyer is perhaps Lucius Cupiennius.

RRC 219/1a, mint Rome, 146 BC, 17.7 mm, 3.52 gr, 6 h, number of dies : only obverse : 12, reverse for 1a and 1b : 23.

1a : puppy walking upwards, 2b, downwards

RRC 219/1e, 19.8 mm, 3,4 gr, 6 h, number of dies 105/131 for 2 references.

puppy right with both fore-feet raised

@Michael Stolt wow, very beautiful coins, I have only 53/2, but not so nice.Still a lot of work, time and money for me to do. I think RRC 78/2 has to be RRC 78/1.

Back home, here is the next Dioscuri-mint.

RRC 214/1,b, mint Rome, 148 BC, 19 mm, 3.61 gr, 12 h number of dies : 61/76 for 9 varieties

The moneyer is perhaps a son of M. Atilius Serranus

RRC 215/1, mint Rome, 19 mm, 3.7 gr, 12 h, 148 BC, number of dies 75/94. I have to make a new picture...

The moneyer is Quintus Marcius Libo.

RRC 216/1, mint Rome, 148 BC, 20 mm, 4.02 gr, 12 h, number of dies : 82/102.

The moneyer is Lucius Semponius Pitio. 

The name of the three moneyers is represented in the same way, so we can suppose they were the IIIviri monetales for this year.

@quant.geekthank you, I am just coming back here in Antwerp. the translation I have is the same, but there are some nuances. I'll give it one of this days, but thank you, it is fantastic to translate it in this way.

for the papyri, on a first view, you have differents periods. These fragments have only one or a few words , I think it wil be impossible to understand the context, but it is a very nice collection

@quant.geekwhat is the CDLI system to decipher ? I don't know it.

I have a few tablets ans 1 cone,which is the same as in the museum in Brussels, so I could check the translation I received. It is a cone from Girsu, king Gudea (around 2120 BC)

I have also some tablets without translation from pre-Sargon period and UR III dynasty. Is it possible to translate with this system ?

This Dioscuri denarius is the last anonymous issue :

RRC 198, mint Rome, 157-156 BC, 20 mm, 3,99 gr, 3 h, number of dies unknow.

Crawford gives in Table L the total of dies  for 2 denarii : RRC197,1,a+b : 260 reverse dies -  187 obverse dies - hoards 16

                                                                                               RRC 198 :           20 reverse dies  -   16 obverse dies - hoards 4

RRC 197 with Victory in biga (2 varieties)is more common than the Dioscuri-coin.

 RRC197,a : notable is that the first horse hides the second.

It is perhaps possible to identify the moneyer of this denarius with C. Scribonius, Praefectus sociorum in 181 BC.

RRC 201,1, mint Rome, 154 BC, 18,84 mm, 3,84 gr, 6h, number of dies : 74/92.

The L.ITI denarius is also rare : 

RRC 209,1, mint Rome 149 BC, 1,8 mm, 3,87 gr, 6 h, number of dies <10/<12.

The archaic letter-form of the L is usual, but L (here) occurs (West Sicily (a) hoard).

I like the papyri, do you know anything of the text ? The second one is not to difficult to read, I think. I had a 2 year course of papyri at the university of Leuven in 1968/69/70, but I think I forgot all because no more reading since then.

Next denarius is anonymus from the Clain-Stefanelli Collection (Naville,live auction 55, lot 394).

RRC139,1, mint Rome, 189-180 BC,18,5 gr, 3,77 gr, 3h, number of dies 40/50

Another rare denarius : RRC154,1, mint Rome, 189-180 BC,20,2 mm, 3,75 gr, 12 h, number of dies : <10/<12. 

L.COIL (archaïc L) below. The moneyer is perhaps L. Coelius, Legatus 170-169

Next denarius is maybe by the gens Sempronia

RRC 169,1, mint uncertain, 199-170 BC, 19 mm, 4.02 gr, 3 h, number of dies : 20/25, G R below

Next a very nice denarius with a rostrum tridens, RRC114,1, rostrum tridens on reverse, 19.5 mm, 3.85 gr, 12 h, 206-195 BC, number of dies : 30/37, mint Rome. 

The head of Roma has always the same helmet              Another anonymous denarius is RRC 117,A,1 with a rudder, mint Rome, 206-195 BC,20 mm, 3,54 gr, 6 h, number of dies : 20/25. The rudder is under the Dioscuri.

THe next is the first denarius with a known moneyer, Cn. Baebius Tamphilus, praetor in 168 or his cousin, son of M.Baebius Tamphilus, consul in 181 and father of M.Baebius Q.f.Tampilus, moneyer c. 137.

RRC 133 2,b , the name TAMP above the Dioscuri ligated , 21 mm, 3,5 gr, 3 h, mint Rome, 194-190 BC, dies 20/25 for 2 varieties.

@SteveJBrinkman Thank you very much. I did not check the quinarius as coming from Naville and ex Clain-Stefanelli Collection ('Naville, live auction 47, lot 353). So I think Naville accepted these reference without problems, errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum, I changed the reference to not be a devil 😄

I bought the staff denarius beginning this year in an Italian auction (Tintinna asta 98, 150122, lot 69)for only 95 € + 18 %. The problem now is that the rules for export have changed and his prices for good coins are now much higher. It is one of the rarest coins I have.

the egyptean archaeology of Sudan is not known by many people. In the middle of the sixties, I met a student from Tchad in Antwerp, who was living very near to the Sudan border. Issen, his name, was also appreciated by my parents and after 2/3 years, as he was also student in Antwerp, he came living by us. When his father knew it, the first thing he did was thanking my parents. When his son went back to Tchad, he invited me to come also to visit the country. When I told him of my interests , he organized also a trip to Sudan (without visum). So  I have visted the Meroe Pyramids in the 'Old Times'. It was very beautiful and special.

@SteveJBrinkman I know him, I used his article in Panorama Numismatico, feb 2011, pag 11-17 :'Varianti di conio utili per la catalogazione dei denari repubblicani' for my RRC199/1a with a C partially erased. I have a thread of this coin here, but I don't find it back.

Another quinarius RRC47/1 from the E.E. Clain-Stefanelli collection (Naville Numismatics).  Compared with the @SteveJBrinkman quinarius, there are a lot of differences. I have accepted the reference without checking.

My next one is marked by a staff before the head of Roma, minted Rome 206-195 BC, number of dies less than 10/12 for 2 varieties.

17 mm, 2.84 gr, 12 h, RRC 112/2a.

The next denarius I have twice, RRC 113/1 with a star under the Dioscuri, number of dies : 40/50.

19,5 mm, 3,31 gr, 6 h

18.6 mm, 3.35 gr, 12 h.

@SteveJBrinkman thank you very much for your aid and explanation, your site was and is very helpful for me and I hope for others collectors also. Thanks again, it is all I can say.

Thanks for the nice pictures.

I use often this guide https://stevebrinkman.ancients.info/anonymous/. It is impossible to see the details on the photos in Crawfords book. Here a very good description is given. 

As promised, the 3 quinarii to compare.

mine                                                                     Sulla80                                                       mine

I bought this second one a few ago in Italy from a local for 20 €. The first I bought by Roma Numismatics for a lot more.

My next denarius is Crawford 75/1b with a branch.

 there are 4 varieties for this number and only  some small details differ. There are  20/25dies for all this varieties. The mint is maybe in Sicily. The period 209/208 BC.

The next one also is maybe minted in Sicily in 209/208 BC.

It is Crawford 79/1 with a wheel on the reverse. number of dies : 40/50. It is a serrate.