El Cazador

4 minutes ago, kirispupis said:

I prefer this one. Yeah, there are many better ones, but it's sitting in my collection and I can look at it (even hold it) whenever I want. 🙂 

It is nice, but portrait is a bit soft… regardless it is still a nice coin with great cabinet toning 

1 minute ago, DimitriosL said:

Beautiful. Leu auction? I wish I could get something like that but it's out of my budget. What did it sell for?

Leu, $5,200 with juice - very, very excessive 

I was personally targeting this:

1 minute ago, John Conduitt said:

Did you conduct a survey?

Should i ?

3 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

I doubt 'most' collectors don't care less about provenance. If that was true, that's the root of the problem. A lot of collectors do care about provenance, whether they would pay much to know what it is or not. And it's not hard to verify a good provenance. They're not 'myth'. They would also be pretty useful if the authorities impounded your coins to repatriate them.

You are talking 10-20% of the population of collectors and I am sure authorities care less about coins sub $50,000… if you own Dekadrachms, then it might be applicable, otherwise- sleep 🛌 tight

12 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

It might be that the law requires auction houses to keep buyers' money in a client account. That's how it works if you sell a house, and with such things as employee pension payments, to protect against bankruptcy. It wouldn't be hard to extracate it from creditor claims - in fact, they would have no claim to it, given the money never belonged to the auction house.

What would go are all those guarantees of authenticity we have from Roma.

I am sure coins are authentic and I personally care less about provenances… most of the collectors care less about provenances - a lot of it is hype and marketing by the “interested” parties, just like diamonds industry created a myth and a need to have engagement rings or Chiquita 🍌 created a myth of - bananas are great and should be a part of American diet, same with farmers and “got milk campaign”…all pure marketing… so don’t worry about the provenance. As long as coins are authentic and ALL surface issues are disclosed- i am good!

35 minutes ago, Deinomenid said:

@DafyddThere's  no chance it is business as  normal. None.

You have 2 main risks -

1) This  whole shambles puts off bidders.  That's a  judgement call. In my view at the margin it will and  at the margin is where prices are often (not always of course) set.  Against that there's a chance this will attract so many  bottom-fishers that it works the other way. I wouldn't bet on it.

2) At some point between now and when you would get paid for the sold coins there's a bankruptcy. For whatever reason. You are screwed, either short-term (waiting to get your assets (coins  or cash) back  or permanently if your  clearly junior  claim is too far down the line to be met.

 

Which is great for bidders

4 hours ago, quercus said:

Recent events have shown the importance of provenance. There is special emphasis on coins with provenance before 1970, when the UNESCO treaty on the Ownership of Cultural Property was adopted. Please use this thread to discuss any coins you may have with robust provenance. 

Disagree, 99% of coins have no provenances and we are doing ok

1 hour ago, NewStyleKing said:

A big loss of the consignee!  It just sold for $350......less than he bought it for +juice,  then the cost of its coffin  plus fee.!  

The coin was not great, I personally wouldn’t pay $350 + fees

its $200 all in coin in my opinion, given surface issues

10 hours ago, John060167 said:

Nice Caligula coins! He is  tough in general with Roman imperial issues, but especially his precious metal issues…not affordable, yikes! Here’s two i have:

 

Caligula AE As, struck 37-38, Rome mint. “Vesta” Reverse-RIC I 38

 

Caligula AR denarius, struck 37-38, Lugdunum mint. “Germanicus” reverse-RIC I 12

You are “en fuego” in the last week, so many new coins to showcase! Congratulations 

2 hours ago, kapphnwn said:

Philip III Av Stater Lampsakos 323-317 BC Obv Helmeted head of Athena right, Rv Nike standing left Price P 13 8.59 grms 18 mm Photo by W Hansen Philip's coins are completely overshadowed by the coinage of Alexander. However his coinage is very uusefull in the study of that coinage as it does give some evidence for which coins are lifetime and which are posthumous. 

Superb

3 hours ago, Phil Davis said:

Of course, the proof will always be in the pudding, but if the one RR lot I'm interested in could be purchased for the opening bid, I'd buy ten if they were offered.

Dont get me wrong- those are great AU+ examples but starting prices are excessive, in my opinion 

takes two to tango, though

8 hours ago, DonnaML said:

I strongly disagree with you about the RR prices, and I would like to think I know a little bit about the market in the last few years for the last century or so of RR coinage. Leaving aside the early pre-denarius and anonymous denarius issues (with which I'm not as familiar), the condition of almost all of the coins is far better than the usual for a series of Roman Republican auction lots. If anything, I think the starting prices and estimates are quite low. I would expect most of the RRs to sell for well above the estimates, never mind the starting prices.

Let’s wait for the auction day

4 hours ago, Cordoba said:

exactly my thought too, was hoping for some nice bactrians since leu didnt have much either. was a bit disappointed, hoped for similar selection as the last roma auction

They have 4-5 but starting prices-  are out of control 

4 hours ago, maridvnvm said:

I like Probus and Lugdunum.... they meet nicely in this coin

Probus

Obv:– VIRTVS PRO-BI AVG, Radiate, helmeted, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield, decorated with emperor riding past row of soldiers with shields
Rev:– ADVENTVS PROBI AVG, Emperor riding left, right hand raised, left holding sceptre; at foot, captive
Minted in Lugdunum (IIII) Emission 5 Officina 4. End A.D. 277 to Early A.D. 278
References:– Cohen 69. Bastien 256 (2 examples). RIC 64 Bust Type G (S)
Appears to be an obverse die match to the plate example in Bastien

Fantastic reverse!!

2 minutes ago, Fabius said:

Great idea for a thread. Like @expat I have chosen a Carinus coin from the Lugdunum mint:

Apparently that is Carinus himself posing on the reverse

Impressive

15 hours ago, NewStyleKing said:

What were the 4 Greeks and 3 Romans?

Its a mix, but quite a few RR and Greek starting prices were a bit ridiculous, so hence the list is down to 7, where historically it would be 14-20… new styles are just ok this time around in terms of quality… 

most RR are overprices…and starting prices are ridiculous 

10 hours ago, Romancollector said:

Something sort of similar happened to me with a Kuenker auction about 2 years ago. I was interested in a solidus in their fall sale. The opening bid was low, and I threw in a few bids, but kept getting outbid....I thought ok, why not throw in one more bid....I did, and then the screen froze for a solid 5-7 seconds. The screen then said something to the effect that I was winning, the only problem is that my winning bid was 1,200 euro over my intended max....I began to panic since the coin was not attracting any additional bids and it began to close....3,2....just before it hit 1, someone else threw in one final bid and I was saved....

Not a big deal at 1,200, no??

1 hour ago, NewStyleKing said:

C'mon somebody..add to the mix!  Anybody an expert on Dekadrachm old style owls?  Tenedos tet dating? 

I personally only saw 4 Greeks and 3 Romans that interest me, kind of surprised- was definitely expecting more

1 minute ago, filolif said:

One more 🦀from my collection. One of the finest coins I own. An Akragas Tetradrachm:

 

 

Another spectacular coin , definitely on my list that i have yet to acquire 

On 2/22/2023 at 6:59 PM, Marcosx said:

You should be able to claw that back from them ir eBay (if it's worth the hassle)

Unlikely 

6 hours ago, NewStyleKing said:

Now $350 !

About the right price for the quality imho, perhaps even too high

1 hour ago, kapphnwn said:

I don't thin the actor portraying Galba looks very much like him.

Galba Ar Denarius  Rome 68-69 AD Obv  Head right laureate. Rv. Roma standing right holding victory  and transverse scepter. RIC 199 3.43 grms 19 mm Photo by W Hansen

Despite having that hard bitten military look Galba displays what could be the result of cheiloplasty. Did they have lip fillers back then? 

As always quality stuff! Congratulations 

22 minutes ago, DonnaML said:

I don't have much for Mr. Decius and family, but here are a few.

I am very fond of this reverse:

One of the first two ancient Roman coins I ever bought, on April 12, 1986:

The usual "holding a gun to her own head" Pudicitia reverse for Herennia Etruscilla:

The boys:

Hostilian, definitely the better coin of the two:

Great Hostilian!

23 hours ago, Kaleun96 said:

First proper "New Style" owl for me, have had my eye on them for awhile but wanted to wait for a nice one that wasn't too expensive. This one fit the bill, really pleased with it!

136 BC - 135 BC

Obverse: Head of Athena Parthenos right, wearing necklace, pendent earring, and triple-crested Attic helmet decorated with the protomes of four horses above the visor, a Pegasos in flight rightward above the raised earpiece, and a curvilinear ornament on the shell
Reverse: Owl standing right, head facing, on amphora; A-ӨE above HPA/API-ΣTOΦ/APIΣT/OK (Hera(kles), Aristoph-, and Aristok-, magistrates) in five lines across field; to left, club facing downward, draped in lion skin and set over bow in case; M on amphora, HP below; all within wreath
Reference: Thompson 339i

Love it!