maridvnvm Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 17, 2022 I have lots more. Should I stop now before people get bored? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 Go for it Martin. We’ll use all the examples showed in this thread for future references, and there are many members here who have never seen these coins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 17, 2022 Another example of a die link between issues Beginning with the A.D. 193 "AVG" issue Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, Laureate head right Rev:– VICTOR IVST AVS (sic), Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left . Minted in Emesa, Late A.D. 193 References:– RIC 362 var, RSC 738 var, BMCRE 388 var. All list VICTOR IVST AVG. 3.26g, 18.83mm, 0o A double die link match to a coin in the Doug Smith collection Reverse die linked to the "AVG II C" issue Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II C, Laureate head right Rev:– VICTOR IVST AVS (sic), Victory walking left, holding wreath in right hand, palm in left . Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 References:– RIC -, RSC -, BMCRE -. 2.88g, 18.84mm, 0o From the AVG . CO issue - FOTVNA-E (sic) R-EDVCI II C - FORTVAE(sic) REDVCI 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 17, 2022 Another from the "AVG" issue Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, laureate head right Rev:– FORTVNE (sic) RDVCI (sic), Fortuna standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae Minted in Emesa. A.D. 194 References:– BMCRE -. RIC -. RSC -. Somewhere between the "AVG" issue and the "COS II" issue is the "COS I" issue. Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS I, Laureate head right Rev:– FEILECITAS (sic) TEMPOR, grain ear between crossed cornucopiae Minted in Emesa. A.D. 194 - 195 Reference:– BMCRE -. RIC -. RSC -. Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG COS I, Laureate head right Rev:– FELICITAS TIMPO (sic), two grain ears between crossed cornucopiae. Minted in Emesa. A.D. 194-195 Reference:- Cohen -. BMCRE -, RIC IV -, RSC - Not previously known with two grain ears. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 17, 2022 Now on to the main COS II issue CERERI VRVG(sic), Ceres standing left, holding grain ears in right hand, torch in left VRVG in place of FRVG FELICIT TEMPOM (sic), grain ear between crossed cornucopiae TEMPOM in place of TEMPOR FORTV-N REDVS in place of REDVC FORTN (sic) R-EDVC - FORTN instead of FORTVN FORTVA (sic) REDVC - FORTVA instead of FORTVNA 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 17, 2022 INVICTO MIP in place of IMP MONEI AVG in place of MONET MONTE AVG instead of MONET IVCT AVG instead of VICT POMA AETERNA instead of ROMA 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted August 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted August 17, 2022 Errors also occur from the other eastern issues IMP II IOBI(sic.) VICTO for IOVI VICTO AVG for VICTOR FORTVN R-EDVCV for REDVCI And also at IMP VIII ARAB DIABENIC for ADIABENIC LIERTA (sic.) AVG for LIBERTA 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis JJ Posted August 17, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) I don't know if we usually think of these middle Byzantine (late 6th-7th cents.) ones as "errors," but I would certainly characterize the obverse legends as "erroneous." I guess these kind of "degraded legends" are veering more into the same category as barbarous imitative legends, though they're official, and apparently the best the mints could do for the time. It's funny that they kept trying to get the old Latin legends right on the AV Solidi but just couldn't do it. Quoting Rasiel Suarez from ERIC II: P. 1278 on Maurice Tiberius: "From here on forward the legends become too erratic to catalog. As time goes on the lettering becomes increasingly fragmentary and careless and often completely illegible." And p. 1315 on Constantine IV: "...while the artistry in rendering the bust of the emperor is competent, and briefly spectacular for the era, the border lettering has quickly eroded into the nonsense strings of crude letters that only vaguely resemble the old arrangement of names and titles. For this reason, I've stopped listing even the intended legends since apparently no single coin ever gets it right." Constans II with Constantine IV, and Heraclius & Tiberius on rev (641-668). Globe on steps reverse type. Globus Cruciger reverse type. (Seemingly much scarcer, but apparently not even slightly reflected in the prices, which I've always found curious, since I like this reverse type better.) Constantine VI Pogonatus (668-685), photo by Rasiel Suarez: What did the engravers even think they were doing to those obverse dies?? "What comes next? What's that one, eh? Let's just make some dots 'n scribbles n' whatnot, eh?" "All the fancy lords just pretend to read Latin anyhow, innit? And what does a Latin reading monk need with gold? S'all the same to them, innit? They took a vow of silence, who they going to complain to?" Edited August 17, 2022 by Curtis JJ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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