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There is a long-standing topic in a German numismatic forum with this title. I have decided to create a similar topic here to give a proper farewell to some coins of my small collection of Greek fractional coinage. As I am compiling a list of those coins for consignment, I feel some of them deserve to be presented here to get some recognition also from you.

First is a tiny coin from Thurium. Adorable style on very small flan.

LUCANIA. Thourioi. AR triobol (Circa 350-300 BC). 1.20g. Head of Athena right, wearing helmet decorated with Skylla/ ΘOYPIΩN / EYΦA. Bull butting right; in exergue, fish right. HN Italy 1832.

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Feel free to add your examples of small Greek fractional gems.

 

 

 

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Beautiful little coin!

Here are some of my favorite little ones.

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Caria, Latmos
Circa 400-350 BCE
AR Tetartemorion 6 mm, 0.17 g, 3 h
Bare female head to right.
Rev. Monogram of ΛΑΤΜ.
HN Online 962. Konuk, Latmos, 5 (O4/R5)

 

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Cimmerian Bosporos, Myrmekion
Circa 470-460 BCE
AR Tetartemorion 5 mm, 0.22 g
Ant seen from above.
Rev. Quadripartite incuse square, pellets in two opposing compartments.
HGC 7, 54. MacDonald 6

 

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BOEOTIA. Mykalessos
Circa 400-375 BCE
AR Obol 10 mm, 0.82 g
Boeotian shield
Rev. M – Y Thunderbolt; all within an oval incuse.
BCD Boeotia 178. BMC 1. HGC 4, 1231. SNG Copenhagen 190-191

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Here's my smallest and I've yet to see one posted here that is smaller, although someone once posted a coin of the same dimensions...

Taras, Calabria

480-470 BC
AR Hexas (5mm, 0.08g)
O: Scallop shell with 7 teeth, within linear border.
R: Wheel with four spokes.
D'Andrea IV, 78; Vlasto 1118; SNG France 1617; HN Italy 836
Very scarce
From the E.E. Clain-Stephanelli collection. ex Naville Numismatics

This tiny and rare little coin is now the smallest in my collection. Being but 5mm and weighing less than 1/10th of a gram, this coin is about the size the LED 'Power On' light on a small device.

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I generally don’t collect Greek coins smaller than a Hemidrachm or Tetrobol. Denominations such as Obol, Diobol, Litra, & Tetartemorian are so tiny, I’m afraid of losing them. 
 

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SIKYONIA, Sikyon. Circa 330/20-280 BC. AR Triobol – Hemidrachm (15.5mm, 2.76 g, 5h). Chimaera standing left; ΣΙ below / Dove flying left. BCD Peloponnesos 283; HGC 5, 213. VF, iridescent tone. From the Johnson Family Collection, purchased from “J.H.,” 27 November 1968.

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Thessaly, Lamia. Date: 400-344 B.C. Denomination: AR Hemidrachm. Diameter: 16 mm. Weight: 2.67 grams. Obverse: Head of Dionysos left, wearing ivy wreath. Reverse: Amphora; ivy leaf above; prochous with handle to right. Reference: BCD Thessaly 123; HGC 4, 120; BMC 7.2,3.

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Lykian Dynasts. Perikles. Circa 380-360 BC. AR Tetrobol - 1/3 Stater (2.99g, 16.5mm). Obv.: facing lion scalp. Rev.: Π↑Ρ - ΕΚ - Λ↑, around triskeles within incuse circle. Müseler VIII.49-51; SNG von Aulock 4254-5. gVF.

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Same here. I have consigned most of my smaller Greek coins. The old eyesight is getting poor enough that I can't enjoy them in all their glory. 

Ionia, Klazomenai. Circa 499-494 BC. AR Diobol (9mm, 1.36g). Obv: Forepart of winged boar right. Rev: Quadripartite incuse square. Ref: SNG München 451; SNG Kayhan 334; SNG Copenhagen 6. Very Fine, attractive toning. Ex CNG e226, 27 Jan 2010, Lot 249. image.jpeg.63b6c45f9334e1c6618107accfdd3c77.jpeg

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Thanks to all of you for presenting your coins. Keep them coming!

I think that some fractions are so small that you cannot admire them with a naked eye anyway. What I find fascinating is that many of those coins have even more elaborate style than bigger denominations. I would love to see how the ancient engravers were able to cut with such precision and skill. Anyway, I have another coin to show you. A beautiful cabinet toning and nice style of the obverse.

ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos. Circa 412-404 BC. AR Trihemiobol (12mm, 0.91 g, 12h). Satyr kneeling left, holding kylix / Amphora within incuse square. Le Rider, Thasiennes 27; HGC 6, 351.

 

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20 hours ago, Phil Anthos said:

although someone once posted a coin of the same dimensions...

Someone is here to the rescue 

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5 mm, 0,08 g.
Ionia, Miletos. Possible Caria, Mylasa. AR hemitetartemorion. Circa 525-475 BC.
Head of a roaring lion l. / Quail standing l. within incuse square.
Cf. Rosen 407/8; Klein 430; SNG Tubingen 3001.

Other small gems 

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7 mm, 0,19 g.
Caria, uncertain mint. AR tetartemorion. Circa 500-400 BC.
Confronted bull heads / Forepart of bull right, within incuse square.
SNG Kayhan 969.

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8 mm, 0,18 g.
Mysia, Kyzikos. AR tetartemorion. Circa 525-475 BC (other sources - 480/450-400 BC). Forepart of boar left, tunny to right / Head of roaring lion left, star to upper left, all within incuse square. Von Fritze II 14; SNG France 375.

 

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6 mm, 0,23 g.
Ionia, Kolophon. AR tetartemorion. Circa 450-410 BC.
Laureate head of Apollo right / TE monogram (mark of value) in incuse square; stork in left field.
Milne, Colophon, 36; SNG Kayhan 360.

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5 mm, 0,19 g.
Greek satraps of Caria, Mylasa. Hekatomnos. AR tetartemorion. Circa 395-377 BC.
Forepart of a roaring lion left / laureate head of Marilyn Manson facing slightly left.
SNG Helsinki 848 (as uncertain); Klein 507; SNG Keckman 849.

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A fan of the very small coins might find humor in a thread that starts by calling a triobol as 'very small'.  We each must decide where to draw the lines.  I keep my coins under 10mm separate because my daughter wants them when I'm gone. The oversized stuff will go to someone or some dealer who prefers them big.  

I assume everyone here has seen my old pages on Tiny Treasures but I have a few acquired after those pages were written. 

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/tiny.html

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/microdigital.html

I'm glad to hear so many people are uninterested in these small coins.  There are more tetradrachms currently listed on sale in major auctions that there are totally in existence coins of this size class.  There are not enough for all of us to collect the little ones. 

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Actually it was @dougsmitthat got me interested in Tets.  I, too, have one of my daughters that want my Tets (someday).

Here are a few of mine:

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Achaemenid Empire. Time of Dareios I, circa 510-486 BC. AR 1/32nd Siglos(0.11 gm, 5mm). Obv.: Persian hero-king r., in running-kneeling position.Rev.: Oblong incuse. Klein 758


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Ionia AR Tetartemorion 4mm 0.13g 530-500 BCE Rosette - Incuse sq punch 5 pellets SNG von Aulock 1807 ex: @JAZ Numismatics

 

some of my "Uncertains":

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ASIA MINOR Uncertain mint AR Tetartemorion Lion - Incuse 5mm 0.13g


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CILICIA Uncertain mint Early-mid 4th C BCE AR Tetartemorion 5mm 0.17g Persian king running dagger and bow - Crowned hd Achaemenid king CNG E239 Troxell Kagan 4


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Mylasa in Caria, or Ionia Miletos (uncertain) AR Tetartemorion 5.6mm 0.21g Roaring Lion Hd - Bird Klein 430 SNG Kay 941


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Uncert West Asia Minor Karia 5th C BC AR tetartemorion 5mm 0.15g Female - Frprt man-faced bull r Kayhan 968 exc rght

 

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Troas Assos 500-450 BCE AR Tetartemorion 6.4mm 0.21g Griffin springing right - Astragalos within incuse square Klein 475 VF R

 

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IONIA Teos AR tetartemorion 0.2g 6mm Hd griffin R mouth open - Quadripartite incuse SNG Turkey 602

 

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Iona Kolophon AR Tetartemorion 530-520 BCE Archaic Apollo Incuse Punch 0.15g 4.5mm- SNG Kayhan 343

 

 

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One of my favourite topics! I like Doug’s cutoff of under 10mm for “tiny” but a thread including larger fractions too seems entirely justified. The OP coin is marvelous, @Meander! (I’d be happy to hear via pm where your coins will be appearing, when you eventually consign them.)

I recently bought a lot of Greek fractions that included a couple hemiobols that challenge for the title of “best tiny coin detail and style” in my collection:

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They’re both in the middle row: the Thasos (dead centre, holed) and the Kierion (on the right). In my opinion it’s amazing the engravers produced such detail and great classical style with only 8mm to work with. Both coins have relatively good metal; as far as I can tell, the Kierion is among the best known. Weird it was grouped… Greek fractions don’t get no respect!

(Reverses, for completeness. The dolphins are decent on the Thasos. Nice boar on the Phokis, bottom right, but that’s getting up to 10mm.)

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In order to reflect the title of the thread a bit more 😀 I will go down with the weight and present this elegant litra with a good pedigree.

SICILY, Leontini. Circa 450-440 BC. AR Litra (0.81 g). Head of roaring lion right; ΛEO-N around / River god, nude, standing left, pouring libation on altar from patera held in his right hand, and cradling olive branch in left arm; barley grain to right. Boehringer, Münzgeschichte 50; HGC 3, 692; SNG ANS 266; Jameson 632.

Gorny & Mosch 297, 9 October 2023, lot 1058, Hirsch Nachf. 120, 1980, lot 33, from the Walter Niggeler collection, Bank Leu/M&M, 3 December 1965, lot 113

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The first round of posts on this thread moved me to get a representative example.  (...Fractional hemiobols? Really?!!?  Get outta town!)

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Mysia Kyzicos, 1/4 obol.  0.18 g, 5-6 mm. 4th c. BCE.  Tunny /incuse.  Keeping in a PVC-free flip, in a paper coin envelope, so it won't fly away and be magnetically attracted to the floor.  

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I keep my tiniest silver coins in a polybag which then goes inside the flip so they can't fall out. These bags said archival (or 'PVC free', I cant remember which), but I remain less than 100% convinced so I never use them for bronze coins.

~ Peter 

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On 5/26/2024 at 7:50 AM, dougsmit said:

A fan of the very small coins might find humor in a thread that starts by calling a triobol as 'very small'.  We each must decide where to draw the lines.  I keep my coins under 10mm separate because my daughter wants them when I'm gone.

When I started collecting, I was a 'hater' of fractional coins. For me, it was tetradrachms, staters, or denarii, and bigger was better!  Think tetradrachms of the Hellenistic Kingdoms. Then I met Guy Clark at a June 1998 coin show in Charlotte, North Carolina. It was an epiphany! Tiny treasures indeed! Everything is game, now. I draw no red lines, but 'very small' usually has many syllables, like 'trihemiobol' and the longer the better!  

Here are a couple of hemihekta.
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Asia Minor. Ionia. c. 480-450 BC. AR Diobol, hemi-hekta (1.17 gm, 9.3mm) of Miletos. Forepart of lion left, head turned right to look back, open-mouthed and langued, foreleg below.  / Stellate design within incuse square, but for one filled segment. aVF. Bt. Guy Clark, 1998.  SNG Cop 5 (Ionia) #952-953; SNG Kayhan #468ff, 1368ff; SNG Keckman II #286; McClean III #8207-8209; ZfN 37 (1927) p.62 plate II #95-103. cf. BMC 34.
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Asia Minor. Ionia. c. 521-478 BC. AR Hemihekea (1.29 gm, 9.3mm) of Phokaia. "Smyrna-type" female head left, wearing helmet or sakkos, with earring.  / Quadripartite incuse square.  gVF. CNG EA 555 #133. Lightly toned, granular surfaces. Klein Kleinsilbermünzen 452-453; ACNAC Rosen 596-597; SNG Cop. 7 (Uncertain) #389-394; SNG Kayhan 1 #522–526, SNG Kayhan 2 #1433-1434; SNG Munich 796; SNG von Aulock 1813-1815.

Here's a tetartemorion. 

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Asia Minor. Ionia. c. 540-478 BC. AR Tetartemorion, 1/4 obol (0.25 gm, 6.5mm) of Teos. Head of griffin right, open-mouthed and langued, dotted truncation.  / Quadripartite incuse square, rough surfaces. gVF. CNG EA 481 (2 Dec. 2020) #105.  Ex CNG EA 126 (9 Dec. 2005) #67. Balcer reports 24 specimens, with 8 obv. and 17 rev. dies. Matzke Group Ca3; Balcer Period I, Group XXXIII #73-80. cf. SNG Cop Supp. #339 (Phokaia or Teos); Klein Kleinsilbermünzen (Teos) 481. 

And a trihemiobol.

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Macedon, Cities. Chalkidian League. c.420-390 BC AR Trihemiobol (0.38 gm, 8mm, 6h) of Olynthos. Laureate head of Apollo left.  / Laurel branch in incuse square, value mark (not ethnic) T-P | [H-I] on either side. gVF. Pegasi Numismatics Auction 38 #71. Rare. Ex Clain-Stefanelli coll. SNG Cop 7 (Thrace, Trie(ros?)) #822; Babelon Traite II #1198 (Trieros, plate CCCXXV #16); Klein KM 99; HGC 3.1 #507; Pozzi 758; SNG Stockholm 793; SNG Berry 498 (Trierus); SNG Fitzwilliam II #1792 (Cimmerian Bosporus); Weber Coll. 2399.

This hemiobol is probably the smallest coin I have.

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Macedon, Cities. Tragilos Circa 450-400 BC Hemiobol (6mm, 0.20 gm). Grape bunch. / Quadripartite incuse square with P-A-T-I (ethnic) in quarters.  EF Bt. Herakles Numismatics, 2022. BMC 5 (Traelium). cf. SNG Copenhagen 2 (Macedonia) #447 var. (position of letters); HGC 3.1 #746 (same); AMNG III/2 #2 var.(same) pl.XXIV #33.

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Beautiful coins, here some of my collection :

Milete, AR diobool, 10 mm , 1,12 gr,520 – 450 BC, SNG Kayhan 462 , SNGCop 953, obv : protome of a lion at right, rev ; quadratum incusum with star-shaped ornament.

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Aeolis, Kyme, AR tetartemorion, 4,93 x 5,35 mm, 0,29 gr , as 12 u:; 480 – 450 BC, .Klein332. Obv : horse head at right, rev : incusum. My smallest coi.

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Electrum hemihecte, 8 mm , 1,21 gr, periode Alyattes – Kroisos : 610-546, Weidauer,groupXVI,90,Rosen654,SNGKayhan1015,SNGvonAulock2871, mint : Sardes.

obv : roaring head of a lion with a star on the forehead, rev : incusum.

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On 6/3/2024 at 5:20 PM, JeandAcre said:

The first round of posts on this thread moved me to get a representative example.  (...Fractional hemiobols? Really?!!?  Get outta town!) 
Mysia Kyzicos, 1/4 obol.  0.18 g, 5-6 mm. 4th c. BCE.  Tunny /incuse.  Keeping in a PVC-free flip, in a paper coin envelope, so it won't fly away and be magnetically attracted to the floor. 

One piece of advice, @JeandAcre: Don't drop it! 

I have been attracted to coins of Kyzikos, on the sea of Marmara, in remembrance of my grandmother's hotel in Acapulco, also called the Marmara. Childhood memories!

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Mysia. c. 520-500 BC AR Obol (0.65 gm, 9.3 mm) of Kyzikos. Tunny left.  / Quadripartite incuse square. VF CNG EA 481 #95.  ex-Leu Numismatik Web Auction 13 #273; Savoca Numismatik 37th Silver Auction #90.  Von Fritze II (Nomisma IX) #5 (plate V #5); SNG von Aulock 7328; SNG Tübingen 2210; Klein KM 261. SNG France – .
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Let me continue presenting some pieces from my humble collection of coins of small denominations, which will be auctioned in Dr. Busso Peus Nachf., Auction 439, on November 4, 2024. I invite you all to check out the auction, also featuring a very interesting En face collection of ancient coins with facing portraits.

Macedon. Acanthus. AR Hemiobol (0.35g), ca. 400 BC. Head of a bull left; border of dots. Rev. Quadripartite incuse square. Rosen 167; Tselekas 143 (this coin).

Very rare with head left.

CNG 29, 1994, lot 50; CNR 18, 1993, lot 44; CNG 25, 1993, lot 149.

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Now for something a little different. A tiny electrum coin from the famous Phanes series. The first inscribed series of coins known. Not the tiniest coin of the series though. There is a 1/48 stater and even a 1/96 stater, which weighs at .14 grams. The 1/24 stater or myshemihekte is the most common denomination of the whole series.

IONIA, Ephesos. Phanes. Circa 625-600 BC. EL Myshemihekte – Twenty-fourth Stater (6mm, 0.57 g). Forepart of stag right, head reverted / Abstract geometric pattern within incuse square. Fischer-Bossert, Phanes 42 (O24/R40T); SNG von Aulock 7773.

CNG 123, 23 May 2023, lot 131, from the W. Hansen Collection, purchased from Calgary Coin Gallery, 30 September 2015. Ex George La Borde Collection; Philip Jones Collection.

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Although this double-headed type from Istros is ubiquitous as a drachm, it is much more difficult to obtain it as hemiobol. Both the obverse and reverse are very interesting.  On the obverse the two heads may be supposed to represent Castor and Pollux or the sunrise and sunset. On the reverse I wondered why a relatively small eagle would be catching a dolphin but it makes some sense if the eagle is explained as a representation of Zeus.

MOESIA. Istros. Circa 425/410-380/350 BC. Hemiobol (Silver, 8.5 mm, 0.50 g, 12 h). Two facing male heads side by side, one upright and the other inverted - a tête-bêche pair. Rev. ΙΣΤΡΙ Sea eagle standing left on dolphin; between them, Ι. AMNG I -. Creusy 1, 2012, 227 ( this coin ). SNG BM Black Sea -. SNG Stancomb -. A very rare, perhaps unpublished, variant.

From the Denyse Berend collection, Nomos AG 26, 21 May 2023, lot 197, Creusy 1, 1 December 2012, lot 227

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Next one is a lovely style Massalian obol. On the obverse a horned head of Apollo or river god Lakydon. On the reverse a wheel with four spokes, M in one quarter. This particular issue is rare and contains a full ethnikon MAΣΣAΛIΩTA-N on the obverse. Also on offer in the upcoming Busso Peus auction.

Massalia. AR Obol 425-400 BC. Obv. ΜΑΣΣΑΛΙΩΤΑ-Ν. Horned head of Lacydon to right. Rev. Wheel with four spokes, M in one quarter. OBM 6-; Chevillon, GNCP 2017. 0.76 g.

 

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Let me continue with another fraction, rather common, but with a wonderful representation of a ram's head on the obverse. Very nicely toned.

TROAS. Kebren. 5th century BC. Diobol (Silver, 10 mm, 1.08 g). [ΚΕ]ΒΡΕ[Ν] Ram's head to right. Rev. Quadripartite incuse square. BMFA 1632. Rosen 530. SNG Copenhagen 254. SNG von Aulock 1544. Traité II, 2, 2326 and pl. CLXIV, 15.

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59 minutes ago, Meander said:

Let me continue with another fraction, rather common, but with a wonderful representation of a ram's head on the obverse. Very nicely toned.

TROAS. Kebren. 5th century BC. Diobol (Silver, 10 mm, 1.08 g). [ΚΕ]ΒΡΕ[Ν] Ram's head to right. Rev. Quadripartite incuse square. BMFA 1632. Rosen 530. SNG Copenhagen 254. SNG von Aulock 1544. Traité II, 2, 2326 and pl. CLXIV, 15.

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@Meander Here is mine:  it is smaller!

TROAS. Kebren. 5th century BC. hemitetartemorion (Silver, 4.8 mm wide axis / 4.5 mm narrow axis, 0.10 g). Ram's head to right. Rev. Quadripartite incuse square.

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The cent is a VDB that I pulled out of pocket change as a child and is a favorite for scale.

 

 

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