NewStyleKing Posted February 25 · Member Posted February 25 This is another rare post Sullan NewStyle and the type is a Hall of notoriety in NewStyle chronology terms. When L C "lucky" Sulla snook out of Rome to take command of the Roman senatorial forces against Mithradates of Pontus he headed directly for Athens emptying treasures in temples on the way because he was not sort of the official choice, Marius was, but he died! He took Lucius Lucullus with him who was dispatched to raise a fleet because he had no ships and Pontus was strong in ships. His Brother, Marcus Lucullus was made a Quaestor to convert loot into coin and produced the famous pseudo-Athenian NewStyle coinage for Sulla. Sulla did what he does best and takes Athens March 86 BC and kills the hold outs in the Acropolis soon after, meanwhile, Mithradates's general Archaelos sails away from Athens harbour Piraeus untouched. Now what to do? Simples, thrash Mithradates's generals twice in central Greece. Then an official Roman commander Flaccus turns up in Asia Minor and promptly is killed by his 2IC Fimbria. Who peregrinates asia minor, thrashes Mithradates jnr. in battle, takes Eupator' s capital Pergamon, forcing him too flee onto pirate vessels and away cos the Romans argue who's the real propraetor refuse to co-operate and that's it , essentially 1st Mithradatic war over. Sulla is a bit scary and sets off after Fimbria who commits suicide when his troops desert! Sulla and Mithradates sign peace terms at Dardanus, Sulla gets all Athenian and becomes an initiate of Elysian mysteries and sets off to become dictator of Rome. The big question is did the NewStyle coinage immediately restart after the sacking? No one knows Below is the sort of official NewStyle position with the number of known obverses known in 1961 and today, ( not much change). It seems to pick up steam again and then falls off a cliff. My general idea is it got started to help finance the 2nd Mithradatic war and the beginning of the 3rd but became essentially redundant against the denarius and the Thasian imitations and the various smaller league achaean league triobols that equated better to the denarius. The celtic tribes loved the Thasian tetradrachms and kept producing their own wild imitations, they were, after all, barbarians!. So who and why produce the NewStyle beyond the early 70's BC? Only as a kind of remembrance of old times when they were sort of independent and mattered somewhat, but nowadays essentially Roman proxy state, much reduced and only important cos the Romans loved Athenian Greek culture and festivals . I believe they were commemorative coinages, specially minted as souvenirs. What use was such a small mintage otherwise, tokens, local propaganda, temple coinage. Eventually most Roman dominated cities were refused to mint silver and Athens like most of them died. The denarius essentially ruled. The cistaphorus struggled on as a tri drachm under Octavian/Augustus, the drachm became a denarius. The rest is history! This very rare NewStyle issue was used as a base coin to overstrike an Aesillas tetradrachm. But because the florit of neither type was known the dating by means of one or the other was contentious. The dating of the Aesillas coinage is still not known, but Robert Baulaugh's Silver coinage with the types of Aesillas, Quaestor, has shown it to be an intermittent coinage from c 95 to c 70/65 BC that can be partitioned into Vlll groups, the Aesillas type overstruck on the Demeas Kallikratides issue is a Bauslaugh group Vlll o94/r353 and late into the coinage. The post-Sullan NewStyles essentially show few obverse die transfers and useful hoards, however the 3 issues of Diokles, of which I have the 2nd issue, can be roughly dated because he was a known entity. So we still go by Miss Thompsons internal chronology on top of Lewis's new general chronology, but, certainly the early catalogue and it's internal chronology seems to follow the hoard evidence. Generally it is believed to be what it appears in my listing, after firmly planting my feet on the shoulders of Lewis,Mattingly, Morkholm, Meadows et al! But with homage to the great Miss Margaret Thompson. The symbol is taken to be Isis but it has been queried and all the examples of this issue are from very heavily used dies. They say the headdress is a give a way, but I cannot see it it's so badly reproduced and the thing it is carrying is also hard to make out, but Isis was famous for carrying things like situla's.....oh well until a better example surfaces...don't hold your breath..mine, the 6th appears to be the last known! Empty your pockets!!! 78 87/6 Star & 2 Crescents note 4 KING MITHRADATES- ARISTION 2 Magistrates from now M 3 3 79 86/5 2 Ears of Corn KOINTOS - CHARMOST * Imitation Restored* 2 2 80 85/4 Beatyl with Fillets KLEOPHANES - EPITHETES N 7 7 81 84/3 Harmodios & Aristogeiton MENTOR - MOSCHION 8 8 82 83/2 Isis ARCHITIMOS - DEMETRI 7 7 83 82/1 Poppy Head ** LUSANDROS - OINOPHILOS 6 6 84 81/0 Demeter Single Torch ** AMPHIAS - OINOPHILOS 10 10 85 80/9 Ares ? ** EUMELOS - THEOXENIDES 8 8 86 79/8 Stag ** NESTOR - MNSEAS N 17 17 87 78/7 Bakchos ** SOTADES - THEMISTOKLES 6 6 88 ?? Demeter & Artemis ** LYKIOS - ANTIKRATHES 1 1 89 ?? Herekles ** PANTAKLES - DEMETRIOS 2 2 90 ?? Looped Fillet ** THEOTHRASTOS - THEMISTO 1 1 91 ?? Sphinx ** DIOPHANTOS - AISCHINES 1 1 92 ?? Isis ** DEMEAS - KALLIKRATIDES 2 2 93 ?? Apollo with Lyre note 3 MNASTORGORAS - MENTOR 0 1 94 ?? Helmet ALKETE - EYAPON 2 2 95 ?? Dionysus DIONYSIOS - MNASTAGORAS 1 1 96 ?? Apollo Lykeios EPIGENES - XENON 4 4 97 ?? Demeter MENEDEMOS - TIMOKRATES 4 4 98 ?? Hekate MENNEAS - ERODES 1 1 99 ?? Winged Caduceus DIONYSIOS - DEMOSTRATOS 1 1 100 ?? Cicada No tetradrachms known (Democharcs-Pammenes) 0 0 101 ?? Asklepios DIOKLES - LEONIDES 1 1 102 ?? Dionysus PHILOKRATHES - ERODES 1 1 103 ?? Triptolemus KALLIMAXOS - EPIKRATES 2 2 104 ?? Filleted Thyrsos ARCHITIMOS - PAMMENES 4 4 105 ?? Hygieia DIOKLES - TODEY - MEDIOS 3 3 106 ?? Demeter APELLIKON - ARISTOTELES 1 1 107 ?? Head of Eagle note 5 HERAKLON - ERAKLEIDES 1 1 108 ?? Hekate TRYPHON - POLUCHARMOS 1 1 109 ?? Nike PHILOKRATHES - KALLIPHON 3 3 110 ?? Dionysos TO TRI DIOKLES - DIODOROS 2 2 111 ?? Athena Parthenos DIOKLES - MEDIOS 1 1 112 53/42 BC? Artemis END of NEW STYLE COINAGE ?? APOLECHIS - LYSANDROS 1 1 Athens New Style Tetradrachm c 73/2 BC Obs : Athena Parthenos right in tri-form helmet 31 mm 16.15 gm Thompson issue ? Thompson catalogue: Obs 1233 Rev: ? Rev : ΑΘΕ ethnic Owl standing on overturned panathenaic amphora on which month mark ? ΣΩ below 2 magistrates :DEMEAS KALLIKRATIDES RF symbol : Isis All surrounded by an olive wreath 13 1 Quote
NewStyleKing Posted February 25 · Member Author Posted February 25 This picture from Svoronos Treasure's is the best known, the headdress is more like that of Isis and similar to the example on my other post Sulla Isis NewStyle of Archtimos, of which an excellent pic from my archives is given 8 Quote
Sulla80 Posted February 25 · Supporter Posted February 25 (edited) I always enjoy your posts @NewStyleKing, here's my entire NewStyle sub-collection. ATTICA. Athens. Circa 165-42 BC. Tetradrachm, Phanokles, Apollonios and Hieron, magistrates, 111/0. Head of Athena Parthenos to right, wearing triple-crested Attic helmet adorned with Pegasos and long tendril on the bowl, and with the foreparts of four horses above the visor. Rev. A-ΘE / ΦΑΝΟ-ΚΛΗΣ / ΑΠΟΛ/ΛΩΝΙΟΣ / IE/PΩΝ Owl standing facing on amphora; to left, Artemis Phosphoros standing front, holding torch with both hands; on amphora, [Θ]; in exergue, ME; all within laurel wreath. Thompson 706a. This one not attributed properly (by me) - no controls on the amphora that I can see and perhaps something below? AP? ATTICA. Athens. Tetradrachm (149/8 BC). New Style Coinage. Polychares and Timarchides, magistrates. Obv: Helmeted head of Athena right. Rev: A - ΘE / ΠO / ΛY - TIM (monogram). Owl standing right on amphora, head facing Ref: Thompson 109c. Edited February 25 by Sulla80 6 Quote
NewStyleKing Posted February 25 · Member Author Posted February 25 (edited) my coin is T109! Athens New Style Tetradrachm 149/8 BC Obs : Athena Parthenos right in tri-form helmet 34mm 16.64g Thompson issue 16 Thompson catalogue: Obs 109 : Rev (not in plates)/ NEW? Rev : AΘE ethnic Owl standing on overturned panathenaic amphora on which 2 control letters Ε ? : RF month mark Ι ΠOΛΥ , TI - MPΔ monogram 2 magistrates : ΠΟΛΥ TIMARCHIDES Symbol : Palm Leaf (oblique behind owl) All within a surrounding olive wreath Edited February 25 by NewStyleKing 5 Quote
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted February 25 · Member Posted February 25 That's really interesting. I like learning about new aspects of numismatics. Sadly, the only Athenian owl I have is a contemporary eastern old-style imitation. 1 Quote
NewStyleKing Posted February 25 · Member Author Posted February 25 (edited) Looking like obverse T104. With the reverse of T103 , the DELTA being off flan. See where the palm breaks through the amphora handle! Many new Palm behind owls have appeared over the years no doubt with new obverse/reverse pairings. You can download Thompson via WILDWINDS, Athens at the bottom . Edited February 25 by NewStyleKing 2 1 Quote
Sulla80 Posted February 25 · Supporter Posted February 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, NewStyleKing said: Looking like obverse T104. With the reverse of T103 , the DELTA being off flan. See where the palm breaks through the amphora handle! Many new Palm behind owls have appeared over the years no doubt with new obverse/reverse pairings. You can download Thompson via WILDWINDS, Athens at the bottom . Thanks! for the ID and the pointer to Thompson - didn't realize it was there from ANS/Hathi Trust! Edited February 25 by Sulla80 2 Quote
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