Topcat7 Posted December 19, 2023 · Member Share Posted December 19, 2023 I have this piece of a coin and while I think that it may be Byzantine, it could be Medieval, or something else. It is bronze AE20.3mm., and (the piece I have weighs 0.84gm., which would put the whole coin at around 1.6gm. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. TIA. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted December 19, 2023 · Member Share Posted December 19, 2023 Medieval and World Crusader States, Antioch (Principality). Raymond of Poitiers, Æ Follis. 1136-1149. R-A-M in ornamental style within triangular pattern / AN TIOC HIЄ in three lines. CCS 17; Metcalf, Crusades 1995, 462. 10 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted December 21, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 5:09 PM, ambr0zie said: Medieval and World Crusader States, Antioch (Principality). Raymond of Poitiers, Æ Follis. 1136-1149. R-A-M in ornamental style within triangular pattern / AN TIOC HIЄ in three lines. CCS 17; Metcalf, Crusades 1995, 462. @ambr0zie I don't know how you do it, but Thank you so much. I didn't know where to start so I 'floundered' around for a while. Much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted December 21, 2023 · Member Share Posted December 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, Topcat7 said: I don't know how you do it, but Thank you so much. I didn't know where to start so I 'floundered' around for a while. Much appreciated. You're welcome, glad I could help. I know how frustrating is to search and search and search without success and when I can, I try to help. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted January 18 · Member Share Posted January 18 (edited) ...Oh, Blast --but in the best possible way. Being this late to the party to start with, I got as far as going from the reverse legend to CCS. But, Just Forget it, @ambr0zie nailed it so summarily that, no less summarily, I have to shut up. ...Well, except that, just for the ostensible entertainment value, here's more of what happened. Reflexively, I began at the opposite end of Malloy's listings for Antioch; the anonymous AEs at the very end of the series, from the mid-13th century. Going backward from there, it was frankly surprising to find out (yes, effectively for the first time) how early these fun little minors were integral to the entire collective issue of the principality. (And, well, um, @Topcat7, if you ever wanted to consider parting with your example, you'd be cordially welcome to message me from this forum. (Raymond of Poitiers has exactly no representation in my collection. And I have no idea of the scarcity or price range of the issue. (In safely presumed, pronounced contrast to @ambr0zie --no, you get No Points for false modesty!) (Except, between the operant reign, your brilliant pictures, and the aggregate funness of the thread, I'm liking it more the more I look at it. ...Who knows how, as a coin, it became the metaphorical equivalent of, we could start with a veteran of WWI. (...'The War to End All Wars' --more like, 'the Precedent to Begin All Precedents.') But what's there is Brilliant.) Edited January 18 by JeandAcre 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted January 24 · Member Author Share Posted January 24 On 1/18/2024 at 1:21 PM, JeandAcre said: (And, well, um, @Topcat7, if you ever wanted to consider parting with your example, you'd be cordially welcome to message me from this forum. (Raymond of Poitiers has exactly no representation in my collection. And I have no idea of the scarcity or price range of the issue. @JeandAcre If you would like to send your address to me, I would be happy to 'gift' the coin to you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 On 1/18/2024 at 5:21 AM, JeandAcre said: And I have no idea of the scarcity or price range of the issue. (In safely presumed, pronounced contrast to @ambr0zie --no, you get No Points for false modesty!) To be honest, many of the coins I help in attributing (here or other places) are unknown for me. I just like detective work. This coin was certainly unknown for me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted January 25 · Member Author Share Posted January 25 Just now, ambr0zie said: To be honest, many of the coins I help in attributing (here or other places) are unknown for me. I just like detective work. This coin was certainly unknown for me. I like the concept of "paying forward". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Topcat7 said: @JeandAcre If you would like to send your address to me, I would be happy to 'gift' the coin to you. @Topcat7, you succeeded in summarily, completely blowing my mind. Your generosity is heroic. THANK you. ...WOW. Messaging you is the next thing on the agenda. Huge, Massive, Profound Thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Topcat7 said: @JeandAcre If you would like to send your address to me, I would be happy to 'gift' the coin to you. ...Oops, now the messaaging here is saying that you can't receive messages! That happened recently when I tried to send an apology to @DonnaML for some rhetorical excess in a thread over the past couple of days. Even tried sending it to myself, to keep as a draft, and that didn't work either! This never happened before. No idea.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted January 25 · Member Author Share Posted January 25 Posted to the address given. Enjoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted January 25 · Member Share Posted January 25 In reference to our messaging from the forum (which did eventually work --the ongoing electro-neural dementia of this desktop, still with Windows 7, was as likely the culprit as anything else), you're just That Good. There needs to be an imogee for flinging your hat into the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted February 15 · Member Share Posted February 15 @Topcat7, the coin got here today, and is (pun retroactively intended) an unalloyed joy. Massive, Huge, Demonstrative Thanks. In light of your demonstrably expert labelling of the (traditional, cardboard) flip, I'm in exactly no hurry to take it out. But (otherwise) in hand, the edges of the flan, bordering on the missing bits, along with the remarkable clarity of the existing legends, begin to suggest that this may have begun life on a partial flan. This is when I wish I knew anything about how the flans themselves were generated, in this specific of a context . There are plenty of Medievals guys here (and, I can't doubt, others in the Ancients camp) who are literate (and, from here, fluent) in this sort of thing. ...I'm just not one of 'em! ...Anyway, though, @Topcat7, Please receive my ongoing gratitude for your summary generosity. Coins were meant to be as multi-facetedly Fun as this! This is the only reason why anyone in their right mind should collect. Thank you again ...and I'll shut up, finally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted February 18 · Member Author Share Posted February 18 @JeandAcre Thank you for letting me know of the coin's arrival. I hope that it will provide enjoyment to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted February 19 · Member Share Posted February 19 @Topcat7, you can believe that much, without blinking --even once! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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