Deinomenid Posted July 10, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 10, 2023 Katz is showing up on Numisbid with a range of dies to make your own fakes. No need to pay middleman fees to buy "ancients" any more. How low can they stoop for a buck? Just one description here, but plenty more on offer, for your delight and edification. They also have sold the same type "real" coins in the past. Plenty of Roman fake dies too if Sicily isn't your thing. https://katzauction.com/lots?to_page=1&auction_id=90&lot_number=1289 Ancient Greece Sicily Syracuse Obverse and Reverse Dies 475 - 470 BC Modern Forghery (sic) Steel And Bronze; 1970th. Working dies for Silver Tetradrachm. Obv: Charioteer wearing a long chiton and holding... Starting price: 5 EUR 6 1 1 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deinomenid Posted July 19, 2023 · Supporter Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 These sold today, mostly for a number of 100 euros. https://katzauction.com/lots?to_page=1&auction_id=90&search=dies At those prices, clearly they weren't bought as novelties. Katz (and the platform it uses?) is complicit in the upcoming attempted forgeries, in my view. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted July 19, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted July 19, 2023 It's one thing to sell ancient forgers' dies. But modern ones?? Look for the resulting products at your favorite dealer-who-doesn't-ask-too-many-questions, coming soon! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafydd Posted July 19, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) My opinion is that this is outrageous. I have been duped a few times over the years with forgeries, thankfully highlighted by more erudite collectors than myself. Usually, I have been fortunate as I have been able to return them to dealers, however, I have bought a few from private sellers I couldn't return and ended up throwing them into the sea. I did this for two reasons, the primary reason is that I would not want anyone to be disadvantaged in the future by my proven stupidity, the second reason is that I don't want to be reminded of my stupidity. Now if a 23rd Century marine archaeologist is perplexed, I've given them something to think about! That doesn't worry me. Possibly if people are still able to make intellectual decisions about property ownership in the 23rd Century ( I doubt it ) , it will be catalogued as a rare 21st century forgery provenanced to equally rare forgers dies, possibly ex-Katz? Edited July 19, 2023 by Dafydd Typo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfp7375 Posted July 19, 2023 · Member Share Posted July 19, 2023 Welp, I'm officially never bidding at Katz the rest of my life. Might send them a nasty email over it, too. That's some bullshit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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