Topcat7 Posted March 20, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) I bought this coin as Alexander II but despite my best efforts to 'reference it I am not getting anywhere. The figure on the reverse looks very familiar to me (representative of), but I cannot recall who. Can anyone help me to confirm the identity of this coin please? Weight 1.72gm., AR11.8mm. Edited March 20, 2023 by Topcat7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanxi Posted March 20, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 20, 2023 There are several similar examples on acsearch, but I found none with a reference: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7214454 https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9678952 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted March 20, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, shanxi said: There are several similar examples on acsearch, but I found none with a reference: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7214454 https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9678952 @shanxi Thank you for that. That was more than I found. Perhaps someone else can contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted March 20, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 20, 2023 I'm not sure from where/whom this is from, but it seems that even the auction houses above didn't know. If I were to take a wild guess, I'd consider that there may have been a city called Aroanios in Arkadia. There was an Aroanios river and similarly named mountain, though no records I could find of a city. The style of the coin does seem Arkadian, but take my potential attribution with a grain of salt. There was also a city called Aroma in Caria, but the spelling was different. However, it's definitely not Alexander II. The only coinage known from him are some bronzes. Here is mine. Makedonien Bronze Alexander II 370-367 BCE AE 16.00 mm 4.80 g SNG Alpha Bank 236 Male head right, wearing taenia / Horse galloping right 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor kirispupis Posted March 20, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 20, 2023 Found some more info. I believe these coins shed some light. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1534205 https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=681348 The nymph clearly looks like the one on the subject coin and the APOA text matches that on the coin @shanxifound. I could find no direct historic mention that Philous was previously called Aroanios, nor can I find any mention for something other than a river (two mentions in Barrington) The two coins above are attributed to Phlious. So, I feel fairly comfortable that one of the following is true: - At some point in archaic/classic times, Phlious was called Aroanios. - There was another city not far from Phlious, called Aroanios, that minted coins during archaic/classic times but for which we have no other mentions The reverse of this coin appears to be some form of statue. I have some other coins with images of statues from the area. ToposText has lots of mentions of Phlious. The ones from Pausanias are particularly interesting. I'm fairly certain that this statue/whatever is on the reverse has a strong connection to the city where it was minted. If this was Phlious, then you should find some mention of it. FWIW, here is my coin from Phlious. Yours appears to have been minted roughly 100 years earlier, whether it's from Phlious or not. Phliasia, Phlious Circa 400-350 BCE AE 14.09mm 1.25g Obverse: Bull butting left Reverse: Large Φ surrounded by four pellets BCD Peloponnesos 107 Ex BCD Collection Ex 1985 Frank Kovacs 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat7 Posted March 20, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted March 20, 2023 2 hours ago, kirispupis said: Found some more info. I believe these coins shed some light. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1534205 https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=681348 The nymph clearly looks like the one on the subject coin and the APOA text matches that on the coin @shanxifound. I could find no direct historic mention that Philous was previously called Aroanios, nor can I find any mention for something other than a river (two mentions in Barrington) The two coins above are attributed to Phlious. So, I feel fairly comfortable that one of the following is true: - At some point in archaic/classic times, Phlious was called Aroanios. - There was another city not far from Phlious, called Aroanios, that minted coins during archaic/classic times but for which we have no other mentions The reverse of this coin appears to be some form of statue. I have some other coins with images of statues from the area. ToposText has lots of mentions of Phlious. The ones from Pausanias are particularly interesting. I'm fairly certain that this statue/whatever is on the reverse has a strong connection to the city where it was minted. If this was Phlious, then you should find some mention of it. FWIW, here is my coin from Phlious. Yours appears to have been minted roughly 100 years earlier, whether it's from Phlious or not. Phliasia, Phlious Circa 400-350 BCE AE 14.09mm 1.25g Obverse: Bull butting left Reverse: Large Φ surrounded by four pellets BCD Peloponnesos 107 Ex BCD Collection Ex 1985 Frank Kovacs @kirispupis Very interesting read. I am happy to put the coin at 500-450 B.C.E. and I shall look into your other comments. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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