David Atherton Posted October 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) I was quite surprised to win this coin at the opening bid of 75 €! Despite the small flan and surface roughness I'm very pleased to acquire a Victory type from this much coveted Ephesian issue. I suppose it flew under the radar(?). Domitian as Caesar [Vespasian] AR Denarius, 2.91g Ephesus mint, 71 AD Obv: DOMITIANVS CAESAR AVG F; Bust of Domitian, cuirassed, seen from front, Medusa head on breast of cuirass, fold of cloak on left shoulder, head bare, r. Rev: PACI AVGVSTAE; Victory, draped, advancing r., holding wreath extended in r. hand and palm over l. shoulder. EPHE lower r. RIC 1447 (R). BMC 472. BNC 365. RSC 336. RPC 848 (4 spec.). Ex Solidus 105, 13 September 2022, lot 406. For Domitian's first imperial coinage issue struck at Ephesus special treatment was given regarding the bust type. The engravers depicted him cuirassed with a cloak draped over his left shoulder. Vespasian and Titus were not engraved so elaborately (although at Antioch Titus' bust is draped). Why this is so is a mystery. Unusually Domitian shares the same reverse types as Vespasian and Titus in this series, unlike at Rome where he largely had his own unique types. This PACI AVGVSTAE type is one of the scarcer ones stuck for the young Caesar. Do you have a coin no one else wanted? I'd like to see it. Thanks for looking! Edited October 9, 2022 by David Atherton 34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limes Posted October 9, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2022 (edited) Nice catch @David Atherton! The bust is lovely. I really like cuirassed busts. EDIT: coin below is a match with this fake posted on Forum: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=5691 If it's ok, I'll leave the photo here for educational purposes. Edited October 11, 2022 by Limes 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted October 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 9, 2022 @LimesI have sent you a message about the DE GERMANIS coin. Regards, Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted October 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 9, 2022 That's a pretty cool unwanted coin. I picked up some of my all-time favorites through remainder lots, way back in the Clinton era, when I did auctions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
septim Posted October 9, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 9, 2022 It is always a cool and strange feeling if one gets a coin as the only bidder. I got this Caracalla AE from Plautalia as the only bidder (at the time I could not believe it and had to triple check - maybe people considered it tooled; which it is not): 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Atherton Posted October 9, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted October 9, 2022 10 hours ago, Limes said: It deserves attention, and a proper write up though. Indeed it does! What a great coin. But then again, I'm a sucker for architectural types! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrefn Posted October 10, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 10, 2022 The penny of Louis the Pious from Tours that I recently posted in the Carolingian coins thread; I believe I was the only bidder on it at CGB. It was hammered at the opening bid which was just over half the estimate. There is a concept in psychology called “pre-approval.” Having many people interested in purchasing a good is regarded as a testimony to the desirability of that good, independent of any other criterion of evaluation. So spirited bidding is perceived as an assurance that a coin is desirable. Which then may push the bidding even higher. And lack of interest may cause the perception that the coin isn’t worth your bid. I suspect this effect is stronger in people who are outer-directed, while inner-directed people make up their own minds. I would further speculate that collectors who gravitate to our more obscure corners of the numismatic hobby are more on the inner-directed side of the psychological spectrum. Consequently, when we get a coin others overlooked, we are more likely to believe we got a bargain, rather than we overpaid and no one else was foolish enough to bid on an overvalued coin. Sometimes this opinion (that we got a bargain) is supported when the coin goes back on the market and realizes some multiple of our purchase price. Or knowledgeable colleagues congratulate us on a canny acquisition. Or, our own specialized knowledge reassures us, e.g. knowing that the left-facing portraits are far more rare than the standard issue. Having said this, I think all the coins above were bargains. May your competitor bidders always be inattentive, slow, and distracted. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted October 10, 2022 · Patron Share Posted October 10, 2022 I suspect it flew under the radar, @David Atherton, ignored by the condition cranks who care more about technical grade than rarity or historical importance. I was the only bidder on this scarce Faustina II sestertius. It doesn't exactly have 5/5 surfaces, I'll admit. it happens to come from the Antonio Carmona collection, too! Faustina II, AD 147-175. Roman orichalcum sestertius, 23.61g, 34.2 mm, 7 h. Rome, summer AD 151 or mid 152- autumn 154. Obv: FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL, bare-headed and draped bust, right. Rev: PIETAS S C, Pietas standing facing, head left, holding flower and cornucopiae, with child standing facing, head to right, to her left. Refs: RIC 1379; BMCRE 2177-79; Cohen 173; RCV 4715; Strack 1321. Notes: Sear identifies the child on the reverse as Lucilla. Ex Antonio Carmona collection, ex-Roma E-sale 82, lot 1380, 15 April, 2021. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted October 10, 2022 · Member Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) Getting a coin for the opening bid is one of the most satisfying moments for a collector, when 1. the coin fits your collecting area 2. you like it and you were prepared to pay more. I have some of them in my collection and I was prepared to pay more but I didn't protest at all seeing it's not the case. Some recent ones IONIA. Klazomenai. Circa 380-360 BC. Ӕ 10 mm 1.4 g Obv : Laureate head of Apollo left. / Rev : [HΡAKΛEIΔHΣ] (?), swan standing left, below, grain ear left, wings open. BMC 46; Lindgren & Kovacs 436. This Klazomenai swan went undetected because it seems very dull, but it's a scarce coin with a pleasant reverse - very well in my area. Getting it for the opening bid (10 EUR) is something I wouldn't refuse in the future! PHRYGIA. Apameia. Pseudo-autonomous issue. Assarion. 4.57g 18mm. Time of the Severans, 193-235. ΔHMOC, Bearded and draped bust of the Demos to right / AΠAMЄΩN, Marsyas advancing right, playing double flute (aulos). Leypold, Vol. II, p. 30, 1441; Martin, Demos Vol. 2, p. 158, Apameia 22; SNG Copenhagen 200. Nothing fancy but musical instruments are something I like on coins. I was expecting 20 EUR or something especially since that auction was popular. Nope. Opening bid. 5. Thanks. This one was slightly different but a happy end overall. KINGS of THRACE. Lysimachos.(305-281 BC). Ephesos. Drachm. 18 mm, 4.2 g Obv : Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, wearing horn of Ammon. / Rev : BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΛYΣIMAXOY. / Rev: Athena seated left on the throne, holding Nike, crowning the king's name, in her right hand and leaning with her left arm on shield decorated with lion's head, transverse spear with point below, lyre to the inner left field, A under the throne. Thompson 174; Müller 355. This is not in my area of collecting so I was watching the auction without paying full attention, waiting for the coins I was interested in. Noticed this without bids so I reached that stage of panic (hey, a nice coin, it remains unsold, go go go). I went went went. The opening bid was 100 EUR not 10, like most of the other coins. This was not a smart move for me - I should have known that if a house decides to offer a coin like this with 10 euros opening bid, it can't stay without bids. But anyway, 100 euros was enough. Initially my reaction was not positive as I usually don't pay 100 euros + taxes for Hcoins not in my area. But checking further the coin (in my opinion - better in hand) made me realize this coin is worth the sum I paid and is an excellent addition. Edited October 10, 2022 by ambr0zie 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limes Posted October 11, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) Unfortunately, my coin above turns out to be a match with a fake coin posted on forum. I've contacted the seller about this and will be reimbursed. I would like to give my thanks to @maridvnvm for seeing the match and contacting me. I wonder if that's why nobody else was interested...? Edited October 11, 2022 by Limes 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.