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True but many many exceptions, see examples of 17mm and last one 19mm!

Maybe Filat is member of de CDFL ? Did not heard from them for long time !

Listen Mr filat, you circle about 100 « proofs » of forgery in the first picture of aureus. Do you really think NGC miss that with the coin in their hand ??? You better than experts who work with thousands of coins ??? Be serious yourself.

And what about flow lines on coin ? Never see this on cast !

I did not tell Sponsiano coin are in british museum, i tell i want a various comitee of experts, not only from 1 place like BM because they look stubborn. Again if you give opinions of 100 people that’s not à SCIENTIFIC fact. But you do not understand that. Read about numismatist who give only opinions in the last 150 years and looked like fools because new FACTS was discovered. Science is not like church where only what people believe is see like truth ! Believe is good but FACTS is better

Agreed ! Forget about the Sponsiano story thing, no serious numismatist or historian believe it. Leave it to medias who want scoops. My point was if we are SCIENTIFIC, we need to apply same principals for both possibilities; modern (300 year old) or ancient. Cohen and others did believe all eid mars aureus was modern forgeries, but deeper analysis proove they wrong… We need more facts than opinion, is it possible to have the coin really examine by a comitee of experts, not only by british musuem who still believe Proculus coins are midern fantasies or tooled coins !

Only your opinion. Give me SCIENTIFIC proofs the coin is modern.

Sorry for the poor english language. I do agree with you Briac, no real proof but surely interesting hints, will need deeper analyse of the Sponsiano coin. No SCIENTIFIC proofs. The coin is known to be forgery, but based on what SCIENTIFIC proofs ? We need honesty on both sides. On what is based assumption of forgery ? Only on opinions or SCIENTIFIC facts ? Cohen was a king, but I can give many examples he believe was modern forgery but it was prooven later were authetic ancient coins… A lot of numismatist thought it was genuine but it is only opinions. What proofs do ee have ?

Interesting story but also interesting it start and dicuss by members here in summer of 2020 ! https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-legend-of-sponsianus.364019/

I send my answer and hope better than last contest !

Nice coin all. Ok for hispania examples ?

Good question; i always mixed up between Caracalla, Geta, Elagabalo...

Even best engraver could be drunk on fridays. This not mine but FILI is inverted and CAESERES instead of CAESARES !

And do you know how much for roman provincial, I will say more them 95% ? hadriano alexandria

Hola. I ask a friend of mine from CT (ocat) for your hoard, he study them a lot and help me in past. This is the answer he send, translation from french language. He find a document from the town hall of Lay: In 1949, a rather important find, and somewhat out of the ordinary, was made on the territory of the commune of Lay. We were repairing the small local road D 13 and we were widening a bend when the roadmender Rodriguez, a Portuguese, found a fragment of wall. It didn't matter much. As he was pulling sand, he stripped it a bit and fell on a kind of coarse pavement, and, under a stone, he found a treasure. This treasure was presented, said Rodriguez, in the form of a sausage, that is to say a fairly long cylinder, about a foot, and about ten centimeters in diameter. It seemed to be wrapped in a blackish material, maybe leather, maybe wood. In any case very pressed by curiosity, Rodriguez destroyed the envelope, which is very regrettable and he found a considerable number of Roman coins. These coins were stacked fairly evenly. They were cleaned, stripped, and presented to a specialist who studied this treasure from the point of view of the dates. These 1127 coins, which were “denarii”, some of which were larger than the others and which are called antonymous coins, which were worth 2 denarii; The vast majority ranged between the reigns of HADRIAN, who lived from 117 to 138 A.D., until the reign of ALEXANDER SEVERE, in 222-235 A.D., therefore over a fairly limited period. The largest number of these pieces belonged to the SEPTIMIUS SEVERUS dinasty. It is ALEXANDER SEVERE whose most recent denarius marks the date of the burial of the treasure. It was therefore around 235 at the most that the treasure was buried. This time was a time of great turmoil in the Empire. There had been many invasions of Alamanni, devastating Germanic tribes. The pieces of the treasure of Lay were inventoried and determined by Mr. TRICOU, member of the Cercle Lyonnais de numismatique. The oldest was a denarius from Mark Antoiny Legion VI (between 43 and 30 BC) and the most recent from Emperor ALEXANDER SEVERE who reigned from 222 to 235 AD. There were a few deniers from Vespasian, Adrian, Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Commodus, Septimius Severus (2nd and 3rd century). The largest part, 327 coins, was made up of deniers and double deniers from CARACALLA and his brother GETA, ELAGABALUS and MACRIANUS. There were a few pieces by PLAUTILLIA, wife of CARACALLA, by JULIA DOMNA, her mother, by JULIA MAESA, grandmother of ELAGALGALUS. Mr. Fustier thinks that the treasure represented the pay of a military unit.