maridvnvm Posted March 16 · Member Share Posted March 16 Let me start by saying that the coins that is the subject of this thread is one that very few people will have much interest in but to me, as a specialist in the Probus - Lugdunum issues it is a good find. Let me start by introducing my new coin:- Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– TEMPOR FELICI, Felicitas standing right, holding caduceus and cornucopiae Mint – Lugdunum (I) Emission 4 Officina 1. Mid to Late A.D. 277 Reference(s) – Cohen 723 listed in error. Bastien - (this obverse legend not listed with this type in Bastien). RIC 51 Bust type F (Rate C but it would appear to be far from common) Taking RIC at face value this coin could be either a variant of RIC 51 or RIC 102. Here are the relevant sections from RIC 5 Part II Both RIC 51 and RIC 102 cite Cohen 713, which is TEMPOR FELICI but with a draped and cuirassed bust. The difference between RIC 51 and RIC 102 is the style. RIC 51 is an early issue coin and RIC 102 is a later issue coin though both have the same description. This despite the fact that they both cite the same coins in Cohen. Here are the relevant sections from Cohen. Interestingly they both also list a Bust Type H example. The bust type H example (Cohen 722) is known as Bastien 205 and comes from the 5th Emission. Here is such a coin (which is one of my Holy Grail coins). Not mine. From Paul-Francis Jacquier, Auction 39, Lot 601 from 2014. Looking through Bastien I cannot find any other coins of this reverse type with this obverse legend other than this gorgeous example from Emission 5. So what is the difference between early and late issue coins? Early issue coins have very little cuirass evisdent on the bust and have a less refined style than later issue coins. EARLY ISSUE Obv:– IMP C PROBVS P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– TEMPOR FELICI, Felicitas standing right, holding caduceus and cornucopiae Mint – Lugdunum (I in exe). Emission 4 Officina 1. Mid to Late A.D.277 Reference:– Cohen 713. Bastien 188. RIC 104 Bust type F. LATER ISSUE Obv:– IMP C PROBVS P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– TEMPOR FELICI, Felicitas standing right, holding caduceus and cornucopiae Minted in Lugdunum (I) Emission 6 Officina 1. A.D. 278 - 279 Reference(s) – Cohen 713. Bastien 269. RIC 104 Bust type F (C) It is worth noting that loger legends do also occur but only on the later issues. Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– TEMPOR FELICI, Felicitas standing right, holding caduceus and cornucopiae Mint – Lugdunum (I in exe) Emission 6 Officina 1. A.D.278 to A.D. 279 Reference:– Bastien 266. RIC 103 Bust type F Weight 3.90g. 23.30mm. 0 degrees The same reverse type occurs with a range of busts and legends during emission 5 but I will not encumber this thread with them. In summary. The OP coin would appear to be a RIC 51, rated Common by RIC BUT this coin was not known to Bastien NOR has it appeared in either Bastien Supplements thus far. That is what makes this coin of interest to me. It has also highlighted to me that I need to save up so that if my Holy Grail coin ever ruturns to the market that I have funds available (it sold for about $1500 plus fees when last on the market). 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Julius Posted March 16 · Member Share Posted March 16 (edited) Nice coins! I like threads that dive into the details. I have two Probus TEMPOR FELICI or TEMPOR FELICIT coins, one early and one late. I think I have the attributions right but not sure. TEMPOR FELICI RIC V-2 104 TEMPOR FELICIT RIC V-2 129 Edited March 16 by Orange Julius 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted March 16 · Member Author Share Posted March 16 Your first coin (RIC 104) is from the "Later" issue - Issue 6 - A.D. 278 to A.D. 279, rather the the emission 4 type (my green coin above) dating to . Mid to Late A.D.277. Your RIC 129 (TEMPOR FELICIT rather than TEMPOR FELICI) is from the even later Issue 9 dating to January to August A.D. 282. like my example below There is another oddity where the officina mark comesin the exe that could be part of a potential unpublished 10th issue. I have two examples from two reverse dies 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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