maridvnvm Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 15, 2022 One of my main collecting areas is the eastern mint denarii of Septimius Severus. I generally only focus on the early issues of the mint before it became a branch mint of Rome. The later issues from Laodicea follow types from Rome and can only be differentiated by the style of the engraving. It took me some time to learn how to differentiate between Rome and Laodicea easily, studying many 100s of examples that were confirmed for either mint and comparing one to the other. I learned quickly that I could not necessarily rely on dealer identification of the mint as the quite often got this wrong.During this learning process I gathered a collection together of the readily availably types and found that there were some that seemed to evade me. Nowadays I only gather examples that have evaded me in the past or I think are genuinely scarce in the marketplace.That brings me to this most recent purchase.Septimius Severus denariusObv:- L SEPT SEV AVG IMP XI PART MAX, laureate head rightRev:- IOVI CONSERVATORI Jupiter seated to left on throne with a back, holding Victory and long scepterMinted in Laodicea-ad-Mare. A.D. 199-202Reference:- RIC 504a. BMCRE Pg. 286 •. Both citing L A Lawrence ESQ., F.R.C.S. collectionWeight 3.13g. 18.72mm. 180 degreesThe L A Lawrence died in 1949 and collection was sold off by Glendening's across 7 auctions in 1950 and 1951. His denarii of Septimius Severus were sold in un-illustrated lots. The destination of his example of RIC 504a is unknown. It doesn't appear to have been purchased by the BM, who were given first refusal on any coins from his collection. The BM database contains 5 examples from Rome but none from Laodicea.I have discussed the coin with Curtis Clay and he aware of one example other than mine, which is a double die match to mine and is in his own collection. Martin 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Kowsky Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 15, 2022 1 hour ago, maridvnvm said: One of my main collecting areas is the eastern mint denarii of Septimius Severus. I generally only focus on the early issues of the mint before it became a branch mint of Rome. The later issues from Laodicea follow types from Rome and can only be differentiated by the style of the engraving. It took me some time to learn how to differentiate between Rome and Laodicea easily, studying many 100s of examples that were confirmed for either mint and comparing one to the other. I learned quickly that I could not necessarily rely on dealer identification of the mint as the quite often got this wrong.During this learning process I gathered a collection together of the readily availably types and found that there were some that seemed to evade me. Nowadays I only gather examples that have evaded me in the past or I think are genuinely scarce in the marketplace.That brings me to this most recent purchase.Septimius Severus denariusObv:- L SEPT SEV AVG IMP XI PART MAX, laureate head rightRev:- IOVI CONSERVATORI Jupiter seated to left on throne with a back, holding Victory and long scepterMinted in Laodicea-ad-Mare. A.D. 199-202Reference:- RIC 504a. BMCRE Pg. 286 •. Both citing L A Lawrence ESQ., F.R.C.S. collectionWeight 3.13g. 18.72mm. 180 degreesThe L A Lawrence died in 1949 and collection was sold off by Glendening's across 7 auctions in 1950 and 1951. His denarii of Septimius Severus were sold in un-illustrated lots. The destination of his example of RIC 504a is unknown. It doesn't appear to have been purchased by the BM, who were given first refusal on any coins from his collection. The BM database contains 5 examples from Rome but none from Laodicea.I have discussed the coin with Curtis Clay and he aware of one example other than mine, which is a double die match to mine and is in his own collection. Martin Nice score Martin 😊! Hopefully you will publish your findings on Antiochian denarii in the future for the benefit of other collectors to determine what mint issued their examples. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 I am developing a website but it is a long, slow project..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 15, 2022 While not 'one of two' level rarity, it seems none of the Eastern Septimius issues for Jupiter were among the more common types. At Rome, the Jupiter type is relatively common but has a dated legend not naming the god. I wonder if there is a reason behind this. 'Laodicea' IOVI INVICT "Emesa" IOVI PRAE ORBIS Rome PMTRPIICOSIIPP 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 @dougsmitI have a COS I with a reverse die match to your COS II There are also IOVI types that occur in the COS II series but combined with odd short legends IMP CA L SEP SEV PER AVG COS II - IOVI VICT IMP CA L SE SEV PER AV COS II - IOVI VICTORI They do exist on the IMP II series too L SEPT SEV P-ERTE AVG IMP I - I - IOVI VICT L SEPT SEV PE-RET AVG IMP II - IOBI(sic.) VICTO L SEPT SEV PERET AVG IMP I-I - IOVI VICTORI My imp VIII comes from different dies 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 15, 2022 When you see so many variations on the theme in this one place, you wonder how many more there are that do not appear on this page. For 'Emesa' RIC lists only the one I showed and its matching aureus. Your book on the series would make RIC look like a beginner's survey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted October 19, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 And here is another variant..... Obv:– IMP CA L SE SEV PER AVG COS II, Laureate head right Rev:– IOVI VICTOR, Jupiter, seated left, holding Victory and sceptre Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 References:– RIC -, RSC - 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted October 20, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted October 20, 2023 My COS II coins above all come fom what I refer to as "shortened legend" varieties. I have developed a specific sub-collection focussed around these obverse dies. I thought it worth placing these examples above in some context with others from the same obverse dies. Starting with the IOVI VICTOR... The types that I am aware of from this obverse die are:- BONA SPES BONI EVNTVS (second E in EVENTVS left out) IMP V TRIB POT IIII / C S II - a trophy and captives type LIBER AVG, Liberalitas seated left LIBER AVG, Liberalitas standing left MINER VICTRIS - I know that @dougsmit has one of these MONET AVG VICTOR AVG, Victory advancing left VICI (sic) AVG - Doug has one of these too The IOVI VICT - BONA SPES FORT REDVC (Hilaritas) IOVI VICT (Yes I have a double die match) The IOVI VICTORI BONA SPES - The BM has one FORT REDVC - Fortuna seated - rudder, cornucopia MARTI VICTORI These are just three of the 9 obverse dies that I know of that have these odd shortened legends... 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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