MrZun

A dracma of Khusrow II. Will be arriving soon

It has an Weight of 14,50 grams and 27,22mm of diameter

The dealer Said its an Dupondius but he Also said that there are no RIC found for It

Or they were cleaned and got that rough look over time?

1 hour ago, seth77 said:

Why bother to blur the written name of the dealer if you keep the cover design and logo showing the name clearly.

Yeah i missed that part lol

Just wondering about that, these chocolate patinas seems to have been made artificially

Also, thanks for all that replied! ❤️

39 minutes ago, Roman Collector said:

It would be an utter waste of money to slab that coin!

Not going to, i wanted to know How they would react with this coin

4 minutes ago, Postvmvs said:

I can think of two scenarios:

a) the coin was cleaned and then the highest point, the hair was touching something that prevented air from getting to it so it did not oxidize like the rest of the coin

b) as the highest point, the hair, has rubbed against something exposing fresh silver which is brighter than the rest of the coin

I don't think either really matter as the coin will continue to tone, especially as you are touching it.

True, its a Lot darker now. My only concerns is If this can be considered damage

14 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

Either the toned layer came off (when being cleaned) or that part was touching something else (like another coin) when the rest toned.

Interesting. About cleaning, It is strange since the other part of the coin dont have this. 🤔 If i tried to send It to NGC, would they mention this on the slab?

I have this denarius of Trajano, i like It alot. But a bit of his hair is a little bit brighter compared to the rest of the coin. What can this be? These photos are old, that spot got a Lot darker since, can this be damage? I know the coin has a Lot of dirt, but i like It that way, i really dont like It too much cleaned

3 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

No. RIC II Trajan 344? Definitely more than $50. But it's not an expensive coin.

The RIC is 343

1 hour ago, Sulla80 said:

Any coin that has survived ~1900 years and is readable is in my view a nice coin.  This is not a "high value coin" - I'd say <<$50 and it does show signs of cleaning that have removed tarnish and revealed the rough surface and pitting underneath.  I would guess some form of electrochemical cleaning applied not long ago.

You really think that my Coins has a valeu of less than 50 dollars?

33 minutes ago, Sulla80 said:

Q: most classical Coins and medieval ones have been cleaned in the past, might have been cleaned even 500 years ago or 1000 years ago, that people in the past did not cared about luster or patina, he said that more that 90% of Coins in the market were cleaned or polished at some point, is that true?

There are probably some differences across types of coins, but these seems about right - most coins have had some sort of "cleaning"

Q: Also, a little question, does Coin that were polished in the past, when you polish one, It Just takes the dirt, patina and luster out, right? Or does It also makes the Coin lose metal and Weight?

Again depends on the specific coin - but often you might remove horn silver and encrustations that can reduce the weight of the coin.  "polishing" in general is not great - you will see some ancient coins that are slabbed and marked as "brushed" - this can be from heavily rubbing with brushes or cloth in a way that has damaged the surface.  Here are my notes on one of my cleaning experiments:

https://www.sullacoins.com/post/a-chemistry-experiment

"luster" is a word that I've never really understood properly - for me this just means "good surface", "good metal", not pitted, not crystalized, not rough, maybe a little shine showing through the patina or tarnish, but can also be some risk that this means "brushed:", "polished", and other negatives...

your video didn't work for me:

My favorite coins give at least the illusion that they haven't been cleaned in a long time...a bright shiney coin is unattractive to me.

 

Here is some images

So, i got a collection of Coins, and i learned about original luster that acts like a clock when the light is reflected, all my Coins have been cleaned in the past, including ones that have dirt on them. I talked to a Guy who know a Lot of numismatics, he said: most classical Coins and medieval ones have been cleaned in the past, might have been cleaned even 500 years ago or 1000 years ago, that people in the past did not cared about luster or patina, he said that more that 90% of Coins in the market were cleaned or polished at some point, is that true?

Also, a little question, does Coin that were polished in the past, when you polish one, It Just takes the dirt, patina and luster out, right? Or does It also makes the Coin lose metal and Weight?

As you can see from this video, my trajan denarius has dirt, but he said "It probably has been cleaned and perhaps It was lost in the dirt and found again, Its Impossible to know"

1 hour ago, JAZ Numismatics said:

Those Vota types are typically very well struck, and easy to find in EF grades. Sometimes it's hard to believe they're ancient coins. Great choice for a first follis!

Thanks! And their prices are Very good. A good choice for those beginning

My first Constantine follis

I don't know much about follis, they are bronze Coins with a thin layer of silver, right?

1 hour ago, CassiusMarcus said:

Who doesn't love the Optimus Princeps!? 

Really great coins in this thread from all, very nice stuff 😄

Here is my recent pick up of Trajan, a nice sestertius commemorating the Dacian victory. An unfortunate blemish on his nose but otherwise I'm really happy with it. 

Wow, Very Nice in condition and a great patina, impressive 😍

1 hour ago, Marsyas Mike said:

Great looking denarius of Trajan, @MrZun.  Thanks for sharing (and for including photos - the video would not open for me either - Chrome, on a very old PC).  

My latest Trajan is a sestertius in lousy condition, but I went for it because of the interesting reverse type - like many of Trajan's coins it shows a personification of Dacia, but rather than the usual defeated, dejected Dacia sitting next to a trophy, or Dacia being stomped by Victory or Peace, or a Dacian being trampled by a horse, this one shows Dacia as a pacified, but peaceful province with children: 

Trajan  Æ Sestertius (112-114 A.D.) Rome Mint [IMP CAES NERVAE TRAIANO] AVG GER [DAC P M TR P COS VI P P], laureate bust right with aegis / [DACIA  AVGVST | PR]OVINC[IA | SC], Dacia seated left on rock, holding aquila; in front of her on a second rock a child holding grapes; at her side a child  holding grain stalks

RIC II 622; Cohen RSC 125; BMCRE 961, p. 204 corr. ("with drapery and aegis" - this was corrected based on my query Feb. 2024) (22.44 grams / 31 x 30 mm)  eBay Feb. 2024                $16.25

Note:  "This important type shows the personification of Dacia with two children...They are upon on a rocky outcrop, enclosed by the inscription DACIA AVGVST PROVINCIA, which offers a clear reference to Trajan’s newly created province." Numismatica Ars Classica

Here's a nicer one showing more details - this is the one in the British Museum collection that I suggested a correction for (they'd left off the aegis) - they are very nice about suggestions like this, and it made me feel for a few fleeting moments like a real numismatist when they made the revision:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/C_R-12030

Interesting, going to my list of new Coins for the Future.

You can also see some flow lines in both Coins, in the Aurelius one is even easier.

11 hours ago, Amarmur said:

Beautiful Trajan. My favorite Trajan coin features the bridge over the Danube 

I Hope of one day owning of too, Very beautifull.

6 minutes ago, ambr0zie said:

Your coin is beautiful and I would strongly suggest NOT to clean it (in regards to the "bit of dirt" par)

Trajan coinage is excellent for a multitude of reasons

- excellent portraits, quality control appears to have been strict

- variety of reverses, especially imperial coins but provincial coinage is interesting as well

- last but not least, they are affordable.

Before I started collecting ancient coins owning a Trajan was just a dream. I was under the impression that his coins are very rare and expensive. Now I own 24 Trajan coins (18 imperial and 6 provincials) from my total of 463 coins. 

Here are some I find very interesting

a quadrans with a she wolf reverse 

denarius with the Column

Dacian captives 

Caesarea, similar to @Ryro's but the reverse character is less .... ehm ... developed. Also mine is a didrachm (2 drachms_

denarius with personified Arabia and camel 

the river Danube

Trajan's father 

a tridrachm from Antioch 

a dupondius showing personified Dacia 

and my latest acquisition, Alexandrian tetradrachm with canopus of Osiris

Incredible! Loved all your Coins 🔥

33 minutes ago, expat said:

Glad to see it, lovely coin, great acquisition. From a personal point of view, I feel my collection would be severely lacking without a Trajan. Here is my favourite

Trajan 109 AD Rome .
IMP TRAIANO AVG GER DAC PM TRP, laureate bust right, draped left shoulder / COS V PP SPQR OPTIMO PRINC, Felicitas standing left, holding caduceus and leaning on column. RIC 120s, RSC 81b. Woytek 286a.
AR Denarius, 3.61gr, 19mm.

impressive! And Also a bit heavier for a Denarius of him, grats