David Atherton Posted January 6 · Member Posted January 6 (edited) Dealer's hype, along with some wishful thinking, go a long way in explaining why almost every Flavian Victory type is labelled as a 'Judaea Capta' ... this coin included. In reality it's just a decent mid-period Vespasianic bronze, with no hype sticker attached. Domitian as Caesar [Vespasian] Æ As, 10.03g Rome mint, 73-74 AD Obv: CAESAR AVG F DOMITIAN COS II; Head of Domitian, laureate, bearded, l. Rev: VICTORIA AVGVST; S C in field; Victory stg. r. on prow, with wreath and palm RIC 677 (R). BMC 693. BNC 707. Acquired from eBay, December 2024. A rare Domitian Caesar left facing variant of the common Victory on prow reverse type struck for all three Flavians under Vespasian. Some have argued for the type to be included in the 'Judaea Capta' series, erroneously IMHO. It is too generic without any overt references to the Judaean war. Hendin does not include it in his Guide to Biblical Coins, which should say something! In hand. Thank you for looking! Edited January 6 by David Atherton 24 2 Quote
CPK Posted January 6 · Supporter Posted January 6 Nice middle bronze! I agree, too generic. While the coin's celebration of the Emperor's victories would include the Jewish one, the design is not specific to any single campaign/conflict. And it's not like the Flavians were shy about celebrating their Judaean victory explicitly by name. 5 1 Quote
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted January 7 · Benefactor Benefactor Posted January 7 Nice coin. Probably a more general type and not referring specifically to Judaea. 1 Quote
GinoLR Posted January 7 · Member Posted January 7 This Victoria is on a prow. This coin minted in 73 must refer to some overseas campaign. Why not in Britain? 1 Quote
Benefactor kirispupis Posted January 7 · Benefactor Benefactor Posted January 7 I fell prey to the same advertising with this coin. Vespasian, 69-79 AR Denarius 18 mm, 3.16 g, 7 h Rome, 72-73 IMP CAES VESP AVG COS IIII Laureate head of Vespasian to right Rev. VICTORIA AVGVSTI Victory walking to right, placing wreath on standard BMC 74. Cohen 618. RIC 362 4 1 2 Quote
mcwyler Posted January 7 · Member Posted January 7 This on the other hand is a Judea Capta. But... 6 1 Quote
expat Posted January 7 · Supporter Posted January 7 This is described as a Judaea Capta by many dealers Domitian, AD 83-86. AE23 of Caesaria Maritima, Judea. 10.88 gr. 23mm IMP DOMITIANVS CAES AVG GERMANICVS, laureate head left / No legend, Minerva standing left, holding shield and spear, placing helmet on trophy consisting of cuirass, two shields and spears, two crossed greaves at bottom. Hendin 1455, Meshorer TJC 392, RPC II 2305, SNG ANS 492-494. RPC Volume: II №: 2305 Reign: Domitian Persons: Domitian (Augustus) City: Caesarea Maritima Region: Samaria Province: Judaea Denomination: Æ (23 mm) Average weight: 9.89 g. Issue: Domitian's provincial Judaean coinage, Group 2 (AD 83–?) Obverse: IMP DOMITIANVS CAES AVG GERMANICVS; laureate head of Domitian, left Reverse: Minerva standing, left, erecting trophy with her right hand and holding spear and shield in her left Reference: Hendin 1455,Meshorer Suppl. VIII, 7, 392. corr Specimens: 29 23mm, 10.88g 5 2 Quote
David Atherton Posted January 8 · Member Author Posted January 8 3 hours ago, expat said: This is described as a Judaea Capta by many dealers Probably has more to do with Domitian's own victories in Germany or Dacia. 1 Quote
Tejas Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 Here is another generic victory type of Titus that is celebrating Rome's dominance over the barbarians: Obv.: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M Rev. TR P VIIII IMP XIIII COS VII P P Date: 1 July to end 79 Mint: Rome BMC 15. Cohen 274. RIC 30. 6 Quote
CPK Posted January 10 · Supporter Posted January 10 44 minutes ago, Tejas said: Here is another generic victory type of Titus that is celebrating Rome's dominance over the barbarians: Obv.: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M Rev. TR P VIIII IMP XIIII COS VII P P Date: 1 July to end 79 Mint: Rome BMC 15. Cohen 274. RIC 30. I would consider this a "Judaea Capta" type. After all, it isn't just a generic image of Victory, but rather a detailed image of a captured and bound enemy of Rome, underneath a trophy of arms and armor. This sort of image, unlike the ubiquitous Victory, is very unusual on Roman coinage - not generic at all - and thus IMO would have been understood to refer to a particular war or campaign. Since the most important campaign by far for the Flavians was the Jewish War, it's most likely a reference to that - which makes sense given the similar captive iconography found on their other IVDAEA CAPTA coins. 3 1 1 Quote
JAZ Numismatics Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 What a beautiful chocolatey patina on that coin! 1 Quote
David Atherton Posted January 11 · Member Author Posted January 11 17 hours ago, CPK said: I would consider this a "Judaea Capta" type. After all, it isn't just a generic image of Victory, but rather a detailed image of a captured and bound enemy of Rome, underneath a trophy of arms and armor. This sort of image, unlike the ubiquitous Victory, is very unusual on Roman coinage - not generic at all - and thus IMO would have been understood to refer to a particular war or campaign. Since the most important campaign by far for the Flavians was the Jewish War, it's most likely a reference to that - which makes sense given the similar captive iconography found on their other IVDAEA CAPTA coins. I tend to agree with this. Some scholars/dealers/collectors attribute this denarius type to Agricola's British campaigns under Titus, yet there are no corresponding bronze coins struck under Titus commemorating any such British victories. Although, there are plenty of bronze coins still flogging the Jewish War a decade on. The denarius must also be referring to the Jewish War as well. 2 Quote
Marsyas Mike Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 Left-facing Titus as with Victory on prow, I'm guessing part of the same series as the OP: Titus Æ As (74 A.D.) Rome Mint T CAESAR IMP COS III CENS, laureate head left / VICTORIA AVG[VST, S-C], Victory standing right on prow holding wreath and palm RIC II Part 1 (2nd ed.) Vespasian 754; BMCRE 754. (7.85 grams / 27 x 25 mm) eBay Nov. 2024 $25.00 BO Note: Reverse SC not visible on this, but on BM die-match S is in field next to butt. Only other I found (Hirsh) has SC in fields. Die-Match Obv. & Rev.: British Museum Museum number 1931,1006.8 BMCRE (754, p.112) Donated by: Paul Tinchant, 1931; C&M catalogue number RE2 (163) (711) (A) (163) Here's the British Museum example that is, I think, a die-match to mine: 3 Quote
Marsyas Mike Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 Just found a couple Vespasians of the type, a corroded as and denarius (no prow though - land victory?): 5 Quote
Harry G Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 Here's my Judaea Capta denarius! Bought for dead cheap on eBay 7 Quote
Amarmur Posted January 12 · Member Posted January 12 22 hours ago, Harry G said: Here's my Judaea Capta denarius! Bought for dead cheap on eBay Gotta love eBay. A lot of ancients go under the radar. I got a Vitellius As unattributed and an unattributed Claudius denarius for cheap 1 Quote
CPK Posted January 12 · Supporter Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, Amarmur said: Gotta love eBay. A lot of ancients go under the radar. I got a Vitellius As unattributed and an unattributed Claudius denarius for cheap Have you posted the Claudius denarius yet? I'd love to see it if not! 1 Quote
Amarmur Posted January 12 · Member Posted January 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, CPK said: Have you posted the Claudius denarius yet? I'd love to see it if not! I have not received it in hand but it looks ok I think. It is ex jewelry. If it ends up fake eh (It won't be a loss but it will be disappointing) at least the Vitellius is 100 percent genuine. Edited January 12 by Amarmur 1 Quote
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