Any thoughts; Celtic?

[Agrippa]

About a month ago I bought this interesting coin.
Not that much into celtic pieces but the style looked like a “celtic imitation” for me. Similar like the types with the horse.
I have looked online to find this type with a bull but so far have not found a similar one. Any opinions? Indeed Celtic?

The coin is made of some sort of silver/ bronze allow and the weight is 11,03 gr.

Many thanks.

[John Conduitt]

It's huge (11g) and a bit realistic, so if it's Celtic it might be Iberian.

[ominus1]

..it reminds me of  Greek Ae's...:)

[Agrippa]

2 hours ago, John Conduitt said:

It's huge (11g) and a bit realistic, so if it's Celtic it might be Iberian.

Thanks didn’t thought of that; will check it

[Agrippa]

1 hour ago, ominus1 said:

..it reminds me of  Greek Ae's...:)

Not fully AE as it has a silvery tone. Will try to make better pictures tomorrow.

[Agrippa]

Hard to make a good picture of this coin but here a new, slightly better, picture.

[Hrefn]

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I wonder if it is a related to this type of coin.  

 

 

Or this of Gortyna?

Edited December 31, 2024 by Hrefn

[John Conduitt]

This is essentially the problem. There are hundreds of coins based on the butting bulls of Magna Graecia (around 400BC). The Celts copied them and they were used by all sorts of people across Europe for hundreds of years. Some are more or less realistic than others. One difference is that e.g. British Celtic coins have Apollo on the obverse, while this is Athena. There is also some sort of control mark (cross and pellets?). Unless you find a coin with those, you can't work out where it came from. (It would help if everyone kept the provenance of every coin for this reason...)

[Theodosius]

A really interesting coin. What are the best online catalogs to search for something like that in?

John

[Deinomenid]

10 minutes ago, Theodosius said:

What are the best online catalogs to search for something like that in

If you mean the Spanish suggestion,  this is good -

https://monedaiberica.org/

[Sulla80]

 

A very interesting and good looking coin @Agrippa.  Here are some interesting coins for comparison that have left facing apollo, right butting bull with symbol above and about the right weight - the first one with grapes above the bull and 10.18g.....

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6096193

a variant with "dolphin" instead of "grapes" and lighter 8.54g

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=13493430

this one with a "crown" above and heavier at 11.83g

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=9852851

 

 

Edited January 1 by Sulla80

[Sulla80]

BTW - Coryssa is a useful resource for filtering through coins by weight, description et.c. : https://coryssa.org/coins?p=all&s=all&q=bull&st=1&sd=1&w0=10&w1=12&qn=12&page=4

 

[Agrippa]

Many thanks for the replies and thoughts on this coin. 
 

22 hours ago, Deinomenid said:

If you mean the Spanish suggestion,  this is good -

https://monedaiberica.org/

interesting website with a lot of great coins some I’ve never seen before; thanks.

 

19 hours ago, Sulla80 said:

BTW - Coryssa is a useful resource for filtering through coins by weight, description et.c. : https://coryssa.org/coins?p=all&s=all&q=bull&st=1&sd=1&w0=10&w1=12&qn=12&page=4

 

used this website in the past but forgot to search on it for this coin; will give it a try

Edited January 1 by Agrippa