New York International 2025 17-19 Jan, Anyone Going?

[Gallienus]

The open bourse show dates are Friday 17-January to Sunday 19-January.    It's at the:

InterContinental New York Barclay
111 East 48th Street
New York, New York, 10017

https://nyinc.info/

 

I plan to arrive on Thursday 16-January and perhaps look at auctions.  I'm not staying at the InterContinental but at a nearby hotel to save a few denarii.  Also I'm just a collector so not carrying anything valuable.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Gallienus
Correction

[DonnaML]

FYI, it's NYINC, not NYICS. I've been to the last four at least, but don't know if I'm going to this one.

[JayAg47]

Option 6- I’m going if you can get me the flight tickets and accommodation! 

[wuntbedruv]

I am going. I shall depart Blighty on the morning of the 15th and arrive midday on the 15th. I shall then depart evening of Jan 19th.

[Gallienus]

5 hours ago, DonnaML said:

FYI, it's NYINC, not NYICS. I've been to the last four at least, but don't know if I'm going to this one.

Tanks, i'll tri to idet it.  i kan idet sum thgs bvt kant idet thee Pole tittle.

Edited November 22, 2024 by Gallienus
spilling korrecksuns

[Gallienus]

3 hours ago, JayAg47 said:

Option 6- I’m going if you can get me the flight tickets and accommodation! 

Go to Delta.com They have the best customer service & standard cabin has movies!  Tickets (rt) used to be only $206!  I can let you sleep under my bed but you have to pay for all my meals in recompense.

Hope that helps!

Edited November 22, 2024 by Gallienus

[Qcumbor]

Would love to attend some day. Flying from France might be a bit expensive though. I'll stick to the coinfairs around me 🙂 

Q

[Croatian Coin Collector]

I am not, I will instead spend the thousands of USD it would cost me to go there at the Triton XXVIII and Stephen Album Rare Coins Auction 51 auctions in January.

[Gallienus]

23 minutes ago, Croatian Coin Collector said:

I am not, I will instead spend the thousands of USD it would cost me to go there at the Triton XXVIII and Stephen Album Rare Coins Auction 51 auctions in January.

Zagreb, Croatia => LaGuardia NYC round trip is only $556.  You don't have to stay at the InterContinental either.  It's apparently one of the biggest shows in the world.  At least once in your life you should go.

[SteveJBrinkman]

I'm booked for hotel and flight 1/15-1/18, but may need to cancel because of a tenuous situation here.  I've been to 3 of the last 5 and always came away with really nice coins.  I enjoy meeting and talking to people that I otherwise only correspond with online.  The  NYC atmosphere and dining - also wonderful.  Hope I am able to attend.

[jdmKY]

I'm sitting this one out, it's been a good year at the auctions (too good). As a friend of mine used to say - "At the moment I'm impecunious".

[DonnaML]

10 hours ago, Gallienus said:

Tanks, i'll tri to idet it.  i kan idet sum thgs bvt kant idet thee Pole tittle.

This was unnecessary. I normally ignore spelling errors, but I was confused at first by your poll and its title, because I've never heard of the "NYICS." I thought others might be confused as well.  So excuse me for trying to be helpful. Anyway, I guess you didn't manage to fix it. 

[panzerman]

I have same idea as my friend "Croatian Coin Collector" rather get a nice coin instead.😉 at Feldmann event.

[rasiel]

I'm genuinely interested to know the motives people have for attending. I get that some go to bid, some to early bird cherry pick and if you're a local, why not. But to come in from out of town just to take a peek at the trays? I'm sure that alone is a valid reason for some but all the same I'm interested in hearing what makes this tick for you.

Rasiel

[Croatian Coin Collector]

11 hours ago, panzerman said:

I have same idea as my friend "Croatian Coin Collector" rather get a nice coin instead.😉 at Feldmann event.

Yes, besides I have already been to New York City and have no desire to go back there, so if I decide to spend money on travel instead of coins, it will be to some place that I haven't visited yet, like Japan for example.

[wuntbedruv]

9 hours ago, rasiel said:

I'm genuinely interested to know the motives people have for attending. I get that some go to bid, some to early bird cherry pick and if you're a local, why not. But to come in from out of town just to take a peek at the trays? I'm sure that alone is a valid reason for some but all the same I'm interested in hearing what makes this tick for you.

Rasiel

My motivation is that I've never been on holiday on my own, never been to America let alone an American coin show (let alone out of Europe), I want to see a couple of American coin chums - plus do a little sight-seeing. January is also the worst month of the year so it's good to have something to look forward to. I'm more going for socials than to specifically buy, though I'll have a coin-budget and if I come away with something it'll be an added bonus. It'll be a great opportunity for me to meet some like-minded coin people from across the pond in person and have a nice city break at the same time. 

[JAZ Numismatics]

11 hours ago, rasiel said:

I'm genuinely interested to know the motives people have for attending. I get that some go to bid, some to early bird cherry pick and if you're a local, why not. But to come in from out of town just to take a peek at the trays? I'm sure that alone is a valid reason for some but all the same I'm interested in hearing what makes this tick for you.

Rasiel

That's exactly the reason I used to go: an entire show dedicated to ancient coins - trays after trays of ancient coins! That's highly atypical in America, where the inventory at most coin shows is 95% modern US. I stopped going when NY insisted everyone get the jab to attend public gatherings. Maybe I'll attend this year, not sure...

[Ancient Coin Hunter]

I have not been to the Big Apple since 2011. I used to go on business once or twice a year mostly dialing for dollars for portfolio companies or visiting investment banks for M&A efforts. I would actually like to go but with an impending relocation I am too busy over the next month or two.

[akeady]

13 hours ago, rasiel said:

I'm genuinely interested to know the motives people have for attending. I get that some go to bid, some to early bird cherry pick and if you're a local, why not. But to come in from out of town just to take a peek at the trays? I'm sure that alone is a valid reason for some but all the same I'm interested in hearing what makes this tick for you.

Rasiel

I've been to NYINC 6 times and will be there in January.   I went first to meet some other collectors in 2016 and to visit New York as I hadn't been there before.

I'll meet some people, walk out to Brooklyn for pizza at Juliana's, browse the books at Strand and look at coins.   I'm sure I'll buy something, but not sure what.

As someone has said above - it's something to do in January and it's a short enough hop from Ireland to get over and back in a weekend if I skive off work on the Friday 🙂

ATB,
Aidan.

Actually here's a report on the 2020 event I was supposed to submit to our local coin society bulletin, but never did:

Saturday, May 09, 2020

NYINC 2020... Three books, three coins and two cookies

One destination that had been on my bucket list for ages is New York - walk across the Brooklyn Bridge, catch a ferry to Staten Island, go up the Empire State Building, see the treasures in the Met, jog in Central Park and so on.   Finally, in 2016 an excuse arose to go – a visit to the New York International Numismatic Convention (NYINC) and a chance to meet up with some other collectors.   The NYINC is a Mecca for ancient coin collectors with auctions, lectures and a large coin fair, lasting three or four days - 3 if you pay $20 ($15 if you print and bring along a coupon on the nyinc.info website) or 4 if you pay $125 for an early bird ticket to get in on the Thursday before the hoi polloi.

Discount coupon printed and packed, I was in the 3-day group.

In 2016, I went for 3 nights, spent all my money, met some other collectors and saw the sights.

There were over 100 dealers, spread all over the wonderful Art Deco Waldorf Astoria hotel.   I missed 2017, but made it again in 2018 and 2019.   In 2018, I found the best pizzeria in maybe the world, Juliana's in Brooklyn.   In 2019, I spent four nights there, dragging Annie along too.   We saw Carrie Bradshaw's apartment and went to a great jazz gig with the Jimmy Heath Big Band - he was in his 90s and had played with many of the greats in a long career since the 1940s.   Sadly, Jimmy passed away later in 2019, so we can only hope he's playing with them again.   In fact, I only spent one hour at the actual coin fair    From 2018, the NYINC has found a new home in the Grand Hyatt, beside Grand Central Terminal - the Waldorf is under refurbishment and may be more apartments than hotel when it reopens, so the Hyatt will remain the show's home.

Roll on the 2020 event - this time travelling on my own again (NY in January is too cold for some) and back to a two-night trip.   The plan was to fly over on the Friday morning, catch the fair on the Friday afternoon, lunch on the Saturday, back to the fair and fly back on the Sunday night and straight to the office on Monday morning.

Logistically, everything went perfectly - United from Dublin to Newark (previously, I'd gone to JFK with Delta), a train from the airport to Penn Station and a short walk to my hotel.

As a coin collector, one of the first things one notices in the U.S. is that notes are used much more than coins.   While Ireland switched to the £1 coin in 1990 and we now use €1 and €2 coins, the $1 note or bill is very much alive and well in the U.S.   The U.S. has minted billions of $1 coins in recent years, but they hardly circulate, being mostly encountered in vending machines.   Within minutes of arriving at the airport, I had acquired nine $1 coins from such a machine - a selection of presidential dollars, two Sacagawea dollars and a Susan B. Anthony dollar, the first of the modern small dollar coins.   The Susan B. Anthony dollar, minted only for four years - 1979 - 1981 and 1999, is cupro-nickel with a solid copper core, while the later dollars are also clad, but of brass over a copper core.   The weights and electrical properties of these types of dollars are all the same, so they should all work in vending machines.   The failure of the Suzie B to become a popular circulating coin was blamed on its similarity in size and colour to the 25c (quarter) coin, though it is larger and noticeably heavier.   The more recent dollars are all a brassy colour and so unlikely to be mistaken for quarters, but are no more popular.

Anyway, with pockets jingling, I hopped on a train and thanks to the miracle of timezones was in Manhattan by 12.20 on what was a lovely crisp clear January afternoon.

Luckily, I could check in at my hotel close to Bryant Park, only a 10-minute walk from Penn Station.   After a short siesta it was time to tackle the fair.

Registering involves producing photo' ID and getting a badge to wear around one's neck - this year, they got my name right, previously my middle name has served as a surname for the duration as I didn't notice that they'd misread my passport until I was happily wearing my new badge.

Unfortunately, I have no photos from inside the fair - but there were over 100 dealers, all selling ancient and foreign (i.e. non-U.S.) coins.   The first day, I got a coin and a book and two cookies - shown in the first photo'.   The coin from our own NSI member, Del Parker, the book, the scarce Lindgren vol. I, covering bronze coins of Asia Minor and the Levant.

 

The cookies were sold by Alfredo de la Fe of Agora Auctions.   His wife runs a cake decorating business and made several batches of cookies on ancient coin themes.   I believe she projected images of coins onto the cookies and iced them by hand.   I got two - the Akragas "tetradrachm" and the equally delicious Carthaginian stater below, with the prototype coin!   The cookies got a little squashed on the return flight, but still tasted great 🙂

I didn't have a whole lot of time on the Friday, so went back to the hotel, dropped off my purchases and went in search of food and books.   Strand Books, close to Union Square (it's at Broadway and E 12th Street), has 18 miles of bookshelves and many bargains.   There are racks of books outside for $1 - $4 and many more inside.   I picked up two books about telescopes and physics and repaired to a small pizza place where I stuffed my face with a couple of slices.

On Saturday, I had a walk along the High Line in the morning - it was nice, rather bracing walk in the fairly cold morning - I'm sure it's much more pleasant in summer.

I met with some friends for lunch after - about a dozen of us, who'd brought along some prizes from the last year.   It was good to see everyone, catch up and see some treasures.   I'd brought along a few recent acquisitions too - this is about the best of them, a denarius of 64 BC from the Mesagne Hoard found in 1980:

After about three hours of eating, drinking and looking at coins it was time to go into the snow again (it had started snowing shortly before lunch) and back to the fair.

Back at the fair I picked up two denarii from Harlan J. Berk and two books from Oliver Hoover's series Handbook of Greek Coinage (shown in the first picture) from Charles Davis.

Then back to the hotel to deposit the purchases and prepare for one of my favourite haunts in NY...

I discovered Juliana's in 2018 - my youngest sister spent a summer in New York on a J1 visa in 2001, just getting home before the September 11 attacks - since then, she has raved about the city and has been back a few times.   She insisted I go to try a pizza in Grimaldi's in Brooklyn.   Well, in 2016, I tried, but ended up in a Chinese restaurant instead    In 2018, I crossed the bridge and found Grimaldi's - found it to be closed for Christmas holidays.   However, almost next door was Juliana's pizza, with a queue of people snaking back in -7C temperatures.   So, I queued and, because I was on my own, they led me through to sit at the counter beside the pizza oven.   The pizza was wonderful - I returned to the hotel stuffed but happy and with half the pizza left to eat cold in the morning.   I looked up Juliana's on the web and discovered that Patsy Grimaldi, of Grimaldi's pizzeria, had sold his business and retired.   Grimaldi's had outgrown its original premises and moved to the larger building next door and, later again, Patsy had decided he wanted to get back into the pizza business.   His old restaurant was again empty, so he opened up there, under his mother's name.

So, I'd ended up in the place Aoife had recommended, under the same management, but a new name!   Tripadvisor users, I found, had rated Juliana's as the top pizzeria in the U.S. in 2015.   I was a big fan of Dublin's Pizza Stop - since it closed, I have to go to New York for good pizza    I returned with Annie in 2019 where she proclaimed the coffee to be up to standard, unlike the watery brown liquid served in most of New York.

Anyway, I'm a creature of habit, so had to return for more pizza.   I caught a subway to the Manhattan end of the Brooklyn Bridge, walked across - looking back towards lower Manhattan, you can just see the Statue of Liberty in the distance here - and made my way to Juliana's.

Juliana's is close to the bridge and there was no queue this time, so soon I was seated at the counter and tucking into this!

It's as good as ever, I can confirm.

And that was it.   I didn't go back to the fair on the Sunday - instead I went to Central Park, bought a camera lens in B&H and had a good walk around.   On Sunday evening, I caught the flight back to Dublin and didn't quite make it to directly to work on the Monday morning - I went home to lie down first…

[SteveJBrinkman]

6 hours ago, akeady said:

I've been to NYINC 6 times and will be there in January.   I went first to meet some other collectors in 2016 and to visit New York as I hadn't been there before.

I'll meet some people, walk out to Brooklyn for pizza at Juliana's, browse the books at Strand and look at coins.   I'm sure I'll buy something, but not sure what.

As someone has said above - it's something to do in January and it's a short enough hop from Ireland to get over and back in a weekend if I skive off work on the Friday 🙂

ATB,
Aidan.

Actually here's a report on the 2020 event I was supposed to submit to our local coin society bulletin, but never did:

Saturday, May 09, 2020

NYINC 2020... Three books, three coins and two cookies

One destination that had been on my bucket list for ages is New York - walk across the Brooklyn Bridge, catch a ferry to Staten Island, go up the Empire State Building, see the treasures in the Met, jog in Central Park and so on.   Finally, in 2016 an excuse arose to go – a visit to the New York International Numismatic Convention (NYINC) and a chance to meet up with some other collectors.   The NYINC is a Mecca for ancient coin collectors with auctions, lectures and a large coin fair, lasting three or four days - 3 if you pay $20 ($15 if you print and bring along a coupon on the nyinc.info website) or 4 if you pay $125 for an early bird ticket to get in on the Thursday before the hoi polloi.

Discount coupon printed and packed, I was in the 3-day group.

In 2016, I went for 3 nights, spent all my money, met some other collectors and saw the sights.

There were over 100 dealers, spread all over the wonderful Art Deco Waldorf Astoria hotel.   I missed 2017, but made it again in 2018 and 2019.   In 2018, I found the best pizzeria in maybe the world, Juliana's in Brooklyn.   In 2019, I spent four nights there, dragging Annie along too.   We saw Carrie Bradshaw's apartment and went to a great jazz gig with the Jimmy Heath Big Band - he was in his 90s and had played with many of the greats in a long career since the 1940s.   Sadly, Jimmy passed away later in 2019, so we can only hope he's playing with them again.   In fact, I only spent one hour at the actual coin fair    From 2018, the NYINC has found a new home in the Grand Hyatt, beside Grand Central Terminal - the Waldorf is under refurbishment and may be more apartments than hotel when it reopens, so the Hyatt will remain the show's home.

Roll on the 2020 event - this time travelling on my own again (NY in January is too cold for some) and back to a two-night trip.   The plan was to fly over on the Friday morning, catch the fair on the Friday afternoon, lunch on the Saturday, back to the fair and fly back on the Sunday night and straight to the office on Monday morning.

Logistically, everything went perfectly - United from Dublin to Newark (previously, I'd gone to JFK with Delta), a train from the airport to Penn Station and a short walk to my hotel.

As a coin collector, one of the first things one notices in the U.S. is that notes are used much more than coins.   While Ireland switched to the £1 coin in 1990 and we now use €1 and €2 coins, the $1 note or bill is very much alive and well in the U.S.   The U.S. has minted billions of $1 coins in recent years, but they hardly circulate, being mostly encountered in vending machines.   Within minutes of arriving at the airport, I had acquired nine $1 coins from such a machine - a selection of presidential dollars, two Sacagawea dollars and a Susan B. Anthony dollar, the first of the modern small dollar coins.   The Susan B. Anthony dollar, minted only for four years - 1979 - 1981 and 1999, is cupro-nickel with a solid copper core, while the later dollars are also clad, but of brass over a copper core.   The weights and electrical properties of these types of dollars are all the same, so they should all work in vending machines.   The failure of the Suzie B to become a popular circulating coin was blamed on its similarity in size and colour to the 25c (quarter) coin, though it is larger and noticeably heavier.   The more recent dollars are all a brassy colour and so unlikely to be mistaken for quarters, but are no more popular.

Anyway, with pockets jingling, I hopped on a train and thanks to the miracle of timezones was in Manhattan by 12.20 on what was a lovely crisp clear January afternoon.

Luckily, I could check in at my hotel close to Bryant Park, only a 10-minute walk from Penn Station.   After a short siesta it was time to tackle the fair.

Registering involves producing photo' ID and getting a badge to wear around one's neck - this year, they got my name right, previously my middle name has served as a surname for the duration as I didn't notice that they'd misread my passport until I was happily wearing my new badge.

Unfortunately, I have no photos from inside the fair - but there were over 100 dealers, all selling ancient and foreign (i.e. non-U.S.) coins.   The first day, I got a coin and a book and two cookies - shown in the first photo'.   The coin from our own NSI member, Del Parker, the book, the scarce Lindgren vol. I, covering bronze coins of Asia Minor and the Levant.

 

The cookies were sold by Alfredo de la Fe of Agora Auctions.   His wife runs a cake decorating business and made several batches of cookies on ancient coin themes.   I believe she projected images of coins onto the cookies and iced them by hand.   I got two - the Akragas "tetradrachm" and the equally delicious Carthaginian stater below, with the prototype coin!   The cookies got a little squashed on the return flight, but still tasted great 🙂

I didn't have a whole lot of time on the Friday, so went back to the hotel, dropped off my purchases and went in search of food and books.   Strand Books, close to Union Square (it's at Broadway and E 12th Street), has 18 miles of bookshelves and many bargains.   There are racks of books outside for $1 - $4 and many more inside.   I picked up two books about telescopes and physics and repaired to a small pizza place where I stuffed my face with a couple of slices.

On Saturday, I had a walk along the High Line in the morning - it was nice, rather bracing walk in the fairly cold morning - I'm sure it's much more pleasant in summer.

I met with some friends for lunch after - about a dozen of us, who'd brought along some prizes from the last year.   It was good to see everyone, catch up and see some treasures.   I'd brought along a few recent acquisitions too - this is about the best of them, a denarius of 64 BC from the Mesagne Hoard found in 1980:

After about three hours of eating, drinking and looking at coins it was time to go into the snow again (it had started snowing shortly before lunch) and back to the fair.

Back at the fair I picked up two denarii from Harlan J. Berk and two books from Oliver Hoover's series Handbook of Greek Coinage (shown in the first picture) from Charles Davis.

Then back to the hotel to deposit the purchases and prepare for one of my favourite haunts in NY...

I discovered Juliana's in 2018 - my youngest sister spent a summer in New York on a J1 visa in 2001, just getting home before the September 11 attacks - since then, she has raved about the city and has been back a few times.   She insisted I go to try a pizza in Grimaldi's in Brooklyn.   Well, in 2016, I tried, but ended up in a Chinese restaurant instead    In 2018, I crossed the bridge and found Grimaldi's - found it to be closed for Christmas holidays.   However, almost next door was Juliana's pizza, with a queue of people snaking back in -7C temperatures.   So, I queued and, because I was on my own, they led me through to sit at the counter beside the pizza oven.   The pizza was wonderful - I returned to the hotel stuffed but happy and with half the pizza left to eat cold in the morning.   I looked up Juliana's on the web and discovered that Patsy Grimaldi, of Grimaldi's pizzeria, had sold his business and retired.   Grimaldi's had outgrown its original premises and moved to the larger building next door and, later again, Patsy had decided he wanted to get back into the pizza business.   His old restaurant was again empty, so he opened up there, under his mother's name.

So, I'd ended up in the place Aoife had recommended, under the same management, but a new name!   Tripadvisor users, I found, had rated Juliana's as the top pizzeria in the U.S. in 2015.   I was a big fan of Dublin's Pizza Stop - since it closed, I have to go to New York for good pizza    I returned with Annie in 2019 where she proclaimed the coffee to be up to standard, unlike the watery brown liquid served in most of New York.

Anyway, I'm a creature of habit, so had to return for more pizza.   I caught a subway to the Manhattan end of the Brooklyn Bridge, walked across - looking back towards lower Manhattan, you can just see the Statue of Liberty in the distance here - and made my way to Juliana's.

Juliana's is close to the bridge and there was no queue this time, so soon I was seated at the counter and tucking into this!

It's as good as ever, I can confirm.

And that was it.   I didn't go back to the fair on the Sunday - instead I went to Central Park, bought a camera lens in B&H and had a good walk around.   On Sunday evening, I caught the flight back to Dublin and didn't quite make it to directly to work on the Monday morning - I went home to lie down first…

Aiden,  Thanks for the narrative and the ideas on things to do in NY.  The NYINC is a great attraction for classical numismatists,  that it is in the great city is as much of an attraction.

[Deinomenid]

Wasn't  one of  our members robbed of his coins right at the hotel last year? I seem to remember a discussion about thieves  knowing there was a coin event  hanging  out  in the lobby, swiping backpacks, NYPD  utter indifference, the backpack found in a car in a parking lot somewhere. It may have been a fever dream. I was there last year, didn't see anything  untoward aside from the enhanced security  for the actual coin rooms.  If  I'm not imagining things,  please do be aware it's a flagged event for the lightfingered community as well as for us.

 

[rasiel]

20 hours ago, wuntbedruv said:

My motivation is that I've never been on holiday on my own, never been to America let alone an American coin show (let alone out of Europe)...

Ok, I'm biased but having been to all 50 states, all its major cities and 16 of its top 20 national parks I feel that if you've never been to the U.S., and especially if there's a chance you might only go once, New York City is its No. 1 destination. 

Rasiel

[Gallienus]

On 11/22/2024 at 9:54 PM, rasiel said:

I'm genuinely interested to know the motives people have for attending....

Rasiel

I'm going for several reasons.

To learn about coins. I've heard it said that auction firms bring their nicest coins to show off at the NYINC. Thus I'd like to see what's avaliable in several ancient & world fields that I specialize in.  I will be happy if I leave the show without buying a single coin if I learn enough things.

Also I'd like to make contacts and acquaintances in the ancient & world coin field.  Perhaps meet some people and discuss the coin business as well as meeting collectors.  Explore new ideas for collaboration. 

The last NYINC I attended was in the World Trade Center in 2001. So it's been a while.  Have been to NY numerous times but if free time I might wander around in the Museums there.

Where i live presently is a "coin desert". There is a coin club but only modern US and NCLTs are collected. 

[rasiel]

On 12/1/2024 at 6:35 AM, Gallienus said:

I'm going for several reasons.

To learn about coins. I've heard it said that auction firms bring their nicest coins to show off at the NYINC. Thus I'd like to see what's avaliable in several ancient & world fields that I specialize in.  I will be happy if I leave the show without buying a single coin if I learn enough things.

Also I'd like to make contacts and acquaintances in the ancient & world coin field.  Perhaps meet some people and discuss the coin business as well as meeting collectors.  Explore new ideas for collaboration. 

The last NYINC I attended was in the World Trade Center in 2001. So it's been a while.  Have been to NY numerous times but if free time I might wander around in the Museums there.

Where i live presently is a "coin desert". There is a coin club but only modern US and NCLTs are collected. 

Solid reasons! Hope you have fun :- )

Rasiel

[DonnaML]

On 12/1/2024 at 9:35 AM, Gallienus said:

The last NYINC I attended was in the World Trade Center in 2001. So it's been a while. 

I remember going a couple of times in the 1990s when it was in the World Trade Center. I wasn't collecting ancients yet, so I went primarily for the world coins, and because they allowed antiquities dealers back then. That stopped a while ago.

Edited December 3, 2024 by DonnaML