CaveBear2 Posted Tuesday at 09:56 AM · Member Share Posted Tuesday at 09:56 AM I want to buy this trachy from Variana Coins. Nicely struck for the type, full readable legend. Problem : At 6,1g it's very overweight; The pattern on the loros waist (5 pellets forming an upright cross without decoration around). In DOC, I can't find that pattern, I also can't find that arrangement of the legend and there is no Isaac II trachy that heavy mentioned. I also tried acsearch to find a reverse die match without success. The seller says it's a trachy of the "A" variety, but it doesn't match the information I found : I'd be happy to hear any opinion about that coin.😊 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Simon Posted Tuesday at 01:32 PM · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted Tuesday at 01:32 PM Can you share a picture? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM · Member Share Posted Tuesday at 02:28 PM 55 minutes ago, Simon said: Can you share a picture? Photographs would be necessary for any opinion 👼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaveBear2 Posted Tuesday at 02:50 PM · Member Author Share Posted Tuesday at 02:50 PM 1 hour ago, Simon said: Can you share a picture? 19 minutes ago, TheTrachyEnjoyer said: Photographs would be necessary for any opinion 👼 Sorry, I put a link to the Vcoins picture in the initial post but it's not super obvious (my bad🫠). Here the picture : 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Simon Posted Tuesday at 04:31 PM · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted Tuesday at 04:31 PM Its a nice strike, I will look at my books when home tonight. I will get you specifics my go to is DOC IV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celator Posted Tuesday at 05:31 PM · Member Share Posted Tuesday at 05:31 PM The OP is not listed in DOC. The closest would be var B(a) minus the / and \ at each corner. ICA AK I O C is also not listed. I would not be concerned that this variation is not listed, there are probably more out there as these are a very common type in general. The premium they are asking is due to its larger size and condition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannerknight Posted Tuesday at 11:44 PM · Member Share Posted Tuesday at 11:44 PM I would not be too concerned with the weight, in the Wildwinds database there are two examples weighing 5,65 and 5,1 grams, see link: https://wildwinds.com/coins/sb/i.html Your very nice coin looks almost unclipped, which may explain the weight. Sear, in his description of the coin notes several slightly diverging forms, that may include the loros. In other variations (DOC IV part I, pp411 onwards) the emperor's loros waist holds five points as on a dice. The same "dice" can be found on a trachy sold by Aquila Numismatics recently on this link: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=12488098 From all I see this is the real thing, just a very fine example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glebe Posted Thursday at 01:02 AM · Member Share Posted Thursday at 01:02 AM (edited) Petzlaff covers just about every known variety of the Isaac II trachy in his comprehensive study "Die Billon-Skyphaten der Komnenen und Angeloi 1092-1204", but not it seems this particular variant with the unusual upright 5 point cross in the waist girdle. Ross G. Edited Thursday at 01:04 AM by Glebe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaveBear2 Posted Thursday at 03:35 PM · Member Author Share Posted Thursday at 03:35 PM Thanks for your replies everyone, I pulled the trigger this morning and bought it. Expensive for a "billon" trachy but it's a well struck coin with some interesting oddities. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannerknight Posted Thursday at 03:42 PM · Member Share Posted Thursday at 03:42 PM Good for you, @CaveBear2! And thanks for sharing a very interesting trachy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ela126 Posted Thursday at 05:02 PM · Member Share Posted Thursday at 05:02 PM @CaveBear2 congrats on that purchase. i think that takes the slot of the heaviest billon trachy i'm aware of, along with have a nice attractive strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Simon Posted Saturday at 08:58 PM · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted Saturday at 08:58 PM (edited) Your post @CaveBear2 motivated me to go over an older purchase I had not attributed yet. It was a group lot and judging from the common patena it was more than likely a hoard. The vast majority were Isaac II first reign. It contained 32 examples, none as nice as yours and nothing near that weight. I will examine them more closely in the future. The second most coins were Alexius III , a couple of Manuel and a couple of Latins. So Congratulations on your excellent acquisition. Even in my best of collection yours would win. Here are the 32 examples from the lot last night. Edited Saturday at 09:00 PM by Simon 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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