My final NewStyle? Athens NewStyle 91/0 BC

[NewStyleKing]

Athens NewStyle Tetradrachm c 91/90 BC

Obs : Athena Parthenos right in tri-form helmet
32mm 16.92 gm Thompson issue 74 Thompson catalogue: Obs 1147 Rev: New/Not in plates?
Rev : ΑΘΕ ethnic
Owl standing on overturned panathenaic amphora
on which month mark A control EP below
2 magistrates : MNASEAS NESTOR
RF symbol : Kernos
All surrounded by a Olive wreath

I've been a waiting this for a long time but I have only seen one other before and somehow I missed it! It belongs in what I call the Rome-Pontic times ,where the coins mainly have symbols that can be seen as having symbols associated with the supporters of Pontus or Rome and with magistrates that are known to be. 

This coin has Kernos.The kernos is a pottery ring or stone tray to which are attached several small vessels for holding offerings, and is associated with the Elysian mysteries.

So the symbol seems neutral but the magistrates, Mnaseas and Nestor appear again in reverse order on the issue featuring Stag which is a definite post Sullan issue. It is unlikely these two would have survived the siege and to have remain together as mint magistrates. So must be concluded they were pro Roman.

The only one missing is the Star between Crescents which are very rare and are sought after and went beyond my $10,000 bid when one was sold by CNG! I have a good specimen of the bronze chalkon!

If any coins do come up they are going to be scarce post Sullan ones of which I have 8 examples.

So that's all folks!

Edited October 26, 2024 by NewStyleKing

[NewStyleKing]

Some food for thought? The issues he is referring to is Hermes holding Caduceus/ no symbol, ( my previous post!) and this one with Kernos. What would Andrew Meadows arrange, maybe we will never find out. Maybe the year of no coinage, or 2 issues in 1 year a la F.de Callatay, or maybe the Kernos is a post Sullan coins. The question is also what hoards are Hermes holding Caduceus and Kernos found in?

Are there any other people interested in NewStyles appear, I doubt it!

 

"Three long-known hoards of Athenian New Style coins from Delos ( IGCH 292, 293, and 295), now in the Numismatic Museum, are fully published by E. Apos- tolou (I. 379-411). Interestingly, they close in the years 93/2, 90/89 and 92/1 bc respectively on the low chronology and, as the author suggests, may well be con- nected to the campaigns of Mithridates VI. However, in common with some other hoards of this period, they exhibit some oddities. Absent from all three hoards, as it is from the contemporary Carystus 1957, Delos 1908, Piraeus 1937 and Carys- tus 1883 ( IGCH 291, 335, 337, and 344) hoards is the fairly substantial issue of NIKOGENES KALLIMACHOS, usually attributed to 94/3 bc. Also absent from IGCH 293, 291, 337, and 344, all of which might have been expected to include it (since they include the subsequent issue of XENOKLES  HARMOXENOS + Roma) is the issue of MNASAES NESTOR, usually attributed to 91/0. It is beginning to look as if the order and dates of the beginning of Thompsons late period may need to be re-examined. Such is the value of proper publishing!"

" Treasure Isles" Andrew Meadows review of Eve Apostulu

Edited October 27, 2024 by NewStyleKing

[Deinomenid]

 

4 minutes ago, NewStyleKing said:

It is beginning to look as if the order and dates of the beginning of Thompsons late period may need to be re-examined

Can you not? Isn’t Prof Meadows a bit behind on some of his promised output to put it mildly…

Aren’t there possibly more to come? Eg from the museum you were kicked out of?

[NewStyleKing]

Since he wrote that he became a fellow of New College Oxford. He's probably too busy. The world of help has narrowed. Since I retired I lost, (without warning) access to University of Warwick's library despite being a alumnis at one time. All it was interested in is money.

[NewStyleKing]

99/8   Gorgon Head   +++         

98/7   Pegasos  +++

97/6   Caps of Dioscouri  +++

96/5   Winged Agon ***

95/4   Coiled Snake  ***

94/3   Hermes / No sign  ***

93/2   Headdress of Isis ***

92/1   Dolphin & Trident  ***

91/0   Kerchnos***  

90/9   Roma ***

89/8   Roma & Nike ***

88/7   Griffin ***

87/6   Star with Crescents *** 

 

Mattingly 1997 , the top 3, merged onto Otto Morkholm 1984 by me! The top 3 are Mokholms top 3 but re-arranged from Mattingly!

[Deinomenid]

1 hour ago, NewStyleKing said:

He's probably too busy

Too "tenured". The three 8 week terms are so tricky 🤨

New is a very pleasant place to just relax into, unfortunately for us.

[NewStyleKing]

100/9	Tyche Staff & Cornucopia	DOSITHEOS - CHARIAS	N**					29	29
99/8	Gorgon Head   +++	NIKETES - DIONYSUS					M	33	33
98/7	Pegasos  +++	ARISTION - PHILON					M	30	31
97/6	Caps of Dioscouri  +++	DEMETRIOS - AGATHIPPOS	N *					47	47
96/5	Winged Agon	AROPOS - MNASAGO					R	25	25
95/4	Coiled Snake	XENOCLES - HARMOXENOS (l)     2 Magistrates					R	19	20
94/3	Hermes / No sign	NIKOGENES - KALLIMACHOS        2 & 3 Magistrates						17	17
93/2	Headdress of Isis	DEMEAS - HERMOKLES                 3 Magistrates	N				R	17	18
92/1	Dolphin & Trident	XENOCLES- HARMOXENOS (ll)      2 Magistrates					R	42	42
91/0	Kerchnos   note 1	MNSEAS-NESTOR                          2 Magistrates					R	10	10
90/9	Roma	XENOCLES - HARMOXENOS (lll)    2 Magistrates					R	14	14
89/8	Roma & Nike	KOINTOS - KLEAS                                  3 Magistrates					R	7	7
88/7	Griffin	APELLIKON - GORGIAS                      3 Magistrates					M	12	12
87/6	Star & 2 Crescents  note 4	KING MITHRADATES- ARISTION   2 Magistrates from now					M	3	3
86/5	2 Ears of Corn	KOINTOS - CHARMOST * Imitation Restored*						2	2
85/4	Beatyl with Fillets	KLEOPHANES - EPITHETES	N						7	7
84/3	Harmodios & Aristogeiton	MENTOR - MOSCHION						8	8
83/2	Isis	ARCHITIMOS - DEMETRI						7	7
82/1	Poppy Head **	LUSANDROS - OINOPHILOS						6	6
81/0	Demeter Single Torch **	AMPHIAS - OINOPHILOS						10	10
80/9	Ares ? **	EUMELOS - THEOXENIDES						8	8
79/8	Stag **	NESTOR - MNSEAS	N					17	17

Edited October 26, 2024 by NewStyleKing

[NewStyleKing]

Shows obverses in 1961 and now

[NewStyleKing]

In Thompson's Hoards section in NSSCA (1961) Hermes holding Caduceus, Nikogenes & Kallimachos as magistrates, 23 were found in the Halmyros hoard which contained, all Roman-Pontic times coinage from Gorgon to Dolphin & Trident. There is 1 in the "Abruzzi" hoard in the ANS where a section from Gorgon to Griffin exists. This hoard is now known as the Poggio-Picenze hoard IGCH 2056. But what is in the Chieti museum is a state secret and has never been published in its 70 years of imprisonment! It also contains a 2 Ears of Corn. I believe it is possible that it might contain the secrets of the real chronology of the NewStyle.

In the Anatolian hoard there is a run from Gorgon to Griffin containing a Kernos, but no Hermes! In the Cretan hoard ll in a run from gorgon down to 2 post Sullan coins which also contains Kernos. In what appears to be a hoard in the Hunterian museum ,Glasgow a group of NewStyles starting with King Mithradates & Aristion, and all the other coins of the rare post Sulla type, except 2 of Kernos!

In Istanbul is a NewStyle hoard believed to come from Samsun, starting from Caps of the Dioscuri icontains a Kernos coin and intriguingly a O Demos.  coin.

Maybe when Sulla won Athens, a very poor die artist was recruited and a issue named in the people of Athens, O Demos as a Sullan propaganda piece and as things were turning to normal Kointas came back and produced the 2 Ear of Grain issue. Then the old die artist was found for the production of the next issue, Kernos

The problem with these coins is that they are isolates with no obverse die transfer links. Whilst the Halmyros hoard sort of fixes Hermes, nothing sort of fixes Kernos and leaves suspicions that it actually maybe a post Sullan coin, since Stag by Nestor & Mnaes is definitely post Sullan. Then what to fill the gap!!

Edited October 27, 2024 by NewStyleKing

[mcwyler]

22 hours ago, NewStyleKing said:

Since he wrote that he became a fellow of New College Oxford. He's probably too busy. The world of help has narrowed. Since I retired I lost, (without warning) access to University of Warwick's library despite being a alumnis at one time. All it was interested in is money.

But surely, as a numismatist, all you are interested in is money? Them, not so much...

[NewStyleKing]

This is a spreadsheet from NSSCA shows the 2nd controls associated with the coins of the late era. The 2nd control is believed to be the source of the silver used, but we don't really know.  It is suggestive but no smoking gun! Seems to suggest silver sources are scarce.