Thaler 1783 A

[Egor125]

Hello

Please help me determine the authenticity of the coin.

The lack of a dot between “S MARIA” and the lack of partitions in the letters “A” are confusing.
It also looks strange that HVNGARY is written with a V, although at that time HUNGARY was written with a U.

Is this a variation or a fake?

 

 

The coin was purchased here https://one.bid/ru/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B-Joseph-II-1-Thaler-1783-A/2329816

https://one.bid/ru/Монеты-Joseph-II-1-Thaler-1783-A/2329816

[sand]

Hello @Egor125. Welcome to Nvmis Forvms.

I don't have any knowledge of the coin type. But, there are probably Nvmis Forvm members, who are knowledgeable about the coin type. Perhaps 1 or 2 of them, will see this thread, and provide help with authentication. It may take a few days.

If possible, I recommend moving this thread to the "World Coins" section, rather than the "Medieval" section, because most persons consider the medieval period to have ended approximately 1500 AD.

Edited September 27, 2024 by sand

[Mucius Scaevola]

I'm not an expert here at all, but I had some time now to check because I was curious. Later issues like 1786 have the HVNGARY writing, but 1783 has the U.

The dot you could explain somehow, but this here is harder.

[Al Kowsky]

I see no reason to condemn this coin as fake  🤔.

[Egor125]

5 hours ago, Mucius Scaevola said:

Я тут совсем не эксперт, но у меня было время проверить, потому что мне было любопытно. Более поздние выпуски, например 1786 года, имеют надпись HVNGARY, но 1783 года — U.

Точку можно как-то объяснить, но вот это сложнее.

However, on the 20 kreuzers of 1783 from the Vienna Mint the letter V appears in the word HUNGARY.

Perhaps this also influenced thalers

[Egor125]

2 hours ago, Al Kowsky said:

I see no reason to condemn this coin as fake  🤔.

I am of the same opinion, but I still have some doubts

Perhaps you know the history of this coin? Why is there no dot, the letter "V" is used, and there are strange letters A?

[Al Kowsky]

1 hour ago, Egor125 said:

I am of the same opinion, but I still have some doubts

Perhaps you know the history of this coin? Why is there no dot, the letter "V" is used, and there are strange letters A?

Most likely engraver errors.

[Egor125]

9 hours ago, Mucius Scaevola said:

Я тут совсем не эксперт, но у меня было время проверить, потому что мне было любопытно. Более поздние выпуски, например 1786 года, имеют надпись HVNGARY, но 1783 года — U.

Точку можно как-то объяснить, но вот это сложнее.