AncientCoinnoisseur Posted August 25, 2024 · Member Posted August 25, 2024 (edited) So, I’m trying to better identify my First Meris Tetradrachm: I believe it’s a Prokopov Group III, based on an identification from CNG of a similar one, with a (I think) ΑΡΥ monogram, as you can see here: This is all I could find, so I don’t know if there are additional sub-categories. CNG says “619” (O137/R497), presumably identifying a combination of obverse / reverse. If anyone has the reference could they check if I got this right / if I can pinpoint my coin more precisely? Is it available somewhere for consultation? The only other info I had about my coin when I bought it was “HGC 3.1 1103”. Thank you in advance for the help! EDIT: Additional article I found, that should at least confirm the Group III: Does it also mean that according to this paper my coin should be dated 120-80 BC? Edited August 25, 2024 by AncientCoinnoisseur Additional article 5 Quote
Anaximander Posted September 1, 2024 · Member Posted September 1, 2024 Those tetradrachms from Roman Macedon are impressive beasts, by dint of size and heft. Sorry, I don't have the Prokopov book. My 2₵: Yes, @AncientCoinnoisseur, yours is the 3rd group, and should be dated 120-80 BC, barring newer scholarship. I have Hoover's Handbook of Greek Coins ("HGC") volume 3.1, the Coins of Macedon and its Neighbors. I can at least confirm that the reference to 1103 is correct. Of course, Hoover's handbook lacks the precision of a die-study like Prokopov. Here's my two HGC #1103 coins: cf Prokopov Silver Group II.A #213-229, 395. Prokopov Silver 357 (O77/R282) 2 1 Quote
AncientCoinnoisseur Posted September 2, 2024 · Member Author Posted September 2, 2024 @Anaximander Thanks!!! At this point I doubt anyone has that book. It’s so sad that specialised studies like these don’t get released to the public for free consultation. They are often scarce and really expensive 😕 1 Quote
TIF Posted September 2, 2024 · Supporter Posted September 2, 2024 @AncientCoinnoisseur, I had no luck either finding a free online version of the publication but FAC does have a slightly more expanded version of the classification: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=prokopov+silver&srsltid=AfmBOopxW_neUMtkACTerBXniNabae1pnoAxdJEcRM7yNyE1PljYEM5o 1 Quote
AncientCoinnoisseur Posted September 2, 2024 · Member Author Posted September 2, 2024 @TIF Thanks! At this point it can either be a Group IIb (#559-560) or a Group III (#610-611, 613-617, 712-722, 725-732, 738, 745). They both have the AYP symbol and the thunderbolt. By sheer probability I’d say it’s a Group III, but I might need to see the dies to pinpoint it more. I’m happy though, although the forum link indicates yet a different date range (149–148 BC). The study I posted seems to make no difference between the AP and the AYP symbols, and dates them much later (120–80): (http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/docs/FromKoineToRomanitas.pdf) Page 182–188 of the pdf (144–150 on the bottom). 1 Quote
Spargrodan Posted September 8, 2024 · Member Posted September 8, 2024 (edited) @AncientCoinnoisseur I recently bought, I beileve the same type as the one you have. I didn't know about these references and Prokopov so thanks for bringing it up. Roman Macedonia, Roman Protectorate, First Meris. AR Tetradrachm, Amphipolis, c. 150 BCE, 16.88g. 30.5 mm. 9h. Obv. Diademed and draped bust of Artemis Tauropolos facing right, with the bow and quiver on her shoulder, set in the center of a Macedonian shield adorned with stars. Rev. MACE∆ONΩN ΠPΩTHΣ. Legend on each side of a club; above, a monogram. Rev. translation: (Macedonia first). BMC.1 - SB. - Delepierre- - RQEMH.133 - Cop.- - AMNG. 3/- - Oxford.3292 var. An example of exceptional quality on a well-centered flan on both sides, slightly short on the shield. Magnificent portrait of great beauty where all the details of the hair are visible. Reverse in high relief, finely detailed. Wonderful collector's patina with golden reflections. Retains the full original mint luster and sharpness. Pedigree: This example comes from the stock of Alain Poinsignon (Strasbourg). Ex. stock of Alain Poinsignon (Strasbourg). Edited September 8, 2024 by Spargrodan 3 Quote
AncientCoinnoisseur Posted September 11, 2024 · Member Author Posted September 11, 2024 On 9/9/2024 at 1:00 AM, Spargrodan said: @AncientCoinnoisseur I recently bought, I beileve the same type as the one you have. I didn't know about these references and Prokopov so thanks for bringing it up. Roman Macedonia, Roman Protectorate, First Meris. AR Tetradrachm, Amphipolis, c. 150 BCE, 16.88g. 30.5 mm. 9h. Obv. Diademed and draped bust of Artemis Tauropolos facing right, with the bow and quiver on her shoulder, set in the center of a Macedonian shield adorned with stars. Rev. MACE∆ONΩN ΠPΩTHΣ. Legend on each side of a club; above, a monogram. Rev. translation: (Macedonia first). BMC.1 - SB. - Delepierre- - RQEMH.133 - Cop.- - AMNG. 3/- - Oxford.3292 var. An example of exceptional quality on a well-centered flan on both sides, slightly short on the shield. Magnificent portrait of great beauty where all the details of the hair are visible. Reverse in high relief, finely detailed. Wonderful collector's patina with golden reflections. Retains the full original mint luster and sharpness. Pedigree: This example comes from the stock of Alain Poinsignon (Strasbourg). Ex. stock of Alain Poinsignon (Strasbourg). Absolutely gorgeous coin, wow!!! 1 Quote
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