quant.geek Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) I tend to agree. Something got messed up and we ended up with some crappy coppers, but the gold coins maintained their beauty... Byzantine Empire: Anastasius I (491-518) AV Tremissis, Constantinople (Sear 8; DOC 10; MIBE 12) Obv: DN ANASTASIVS PP AVG; pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTORVM; Victory advancing right, head left, holding wreath and cross on globe, star to right; CONOB in exergue Edited June 5, 2022 by quant.geek 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 @quant.geekTHAT IS COOL! I love all of the Byzantine errors. They just didn't give AF. The only one I have with 4 heads (unfortunately all different lol) is this: Constantine VI and Irene. 780-797 AD, AE Follis, Constantinople. crowned busts of Constantine VI, unbearded, wearing chlamys, holding cross on globe, on left and Irene, wearing loros, holding cross-headed sceptre, on right, dot between their faces / crowned busts of Leo III, with short beard, wearing loros, on left, Constantine V, with short beard, wearing loros, in centre and Leo IV, wearing chlamys, on right, two dots to left and right, all above horizontal line beneath which is large M, X to left, N to right, A below 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimm Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, quant.geek said: I tend to agree. Something got messed up and we ended up with some crappy coppers, but the gold coins maintained their beauty... Byzantine Empire: Anastasius I (491-518) AV Tremissis, Constantinople (Sear 8; DOC 10; MIBE 12) Obv: DN ANASTASIVS PP AVG; pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTORVM; Victory advancing right, head left, holding wreath and cross on globe, star to right; CONOB in exergue Imo Byzantine copper can look fine if you look hard enough for good examples (and in my opinion even the awful ones have their own charm). For instance just this year I found this nummus of Anastasius that still looks somewhat decent, at least in my opinion Edited June 5, 2022 by Zimm 13 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Zimm said: Byzantine copper can also look fine if you look hard enough (and in my opinion they have their own charm). For instance just this year I found this nummus of Anastasius that still looks somewhat decent, at least in my opinion That's not bad at all for such a small coin AND a Byzantine to boot! My Annastasius nummus is much less....nice... 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 The larger coppers are somewhat fine, and even the trachy has a lot of good character in them, as long as they are struck properly. @Furryfrog02, Let's do FIVE. Its getting a bit crowded now... Byzantine Empire: Constantine VI & Irene (780-797) Æ Follis, Constantinople (Sear 1596; DOC III.6) Obv: Crowned facing busts of Constantine VI and Irene, holding globus cruciger and cruciform scepter, respectively; cross above Rev: Crowned facing busts of Constantine V, Leo III and Leo IV surmounting horizontal bar above large M; X and N flanking M, A below 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 I'm afraid I'm maxed out at 4 @quant.geekThat's pretty impressive though! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 Yours actually has five as well, but its a bit obscured on the left... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, quant.geek said: Yours actually has five as well, but its a bit obscured on the left... But does it count if he isn't on the flan? I'm not sure haha. You really can't see him at all so I don't count him 😛 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, Furryfrog02 said: But does it count if he isn't on the flan? I'm not sure haha. You really can't see him at all so I don't count him 😛 With five, it gets hard to display them all, unless the flan is large or somewhat oval. Syracuse only minted coins with a max of four heads and the last of the multi-headed coins was struck by Theophilus, after which, it had fallen to the Arabs: Byzantine Empire: Theophilus (829-842) Æ Follis, Syracuse (Sear-1680; DOC 29c; Anastasi 555 bis) 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 I like that Theophilus. I've got just a lonely solo Theophilus. Theophilus AE Follis. 830-842 AD. Constantinople. ThEOFIL' bASIL', crowned, three-quarter length figure of Theophilus facing, pellets on crown, wearing loros, holding labarum and cross on globe / ThEO-FILE AVG-OVStE SV-nICAS in four lines 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alegandron Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted June 5, 2022 ANASTASIUSERE Anastasius I 491-518 AE Post Reform Folles M monogram 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) That particular coin has so many variations in them! The one I like, which I haven't found yet, is the one with a small cross below with globe. Its somewhat scarce. The other variations have varying tufas and labarum. As an example of the cross-type, which is "labeled" as a half-follis is: Here is mine where the labarum has four dots as opposed to a cross in yours: Byzantine Empire: Theophilus (829-842) Æ Follis, Constantinople (Sear-1667; DOC 15a) Obv: ΘEOFIL bASIL Three-quarter length figure facing, wearing loros and crown surmounted by tufa, holding labarum and globus cruciger. Rev: + ΘEOFILE AVGOVSTE SV hICAS. Legend in 4 lines. and one that was minted in a undetermined provincial mint. Seems he needs a haircut... Byzantine Empire: Theophilus (829-842) Æ Follis, Uncertain Provincial Mint (Sear 1685; DOC 17) Obv: Crowned half-length bust facing, holding labarum and globus cruciger Rev: + ӨЄO/FILЄ AVG/OVSτЄ SV/ ҺICAS in four lines Edited June 5, 2022 by quant.geek 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 I like the style of his face on the last one. A little different than most faces of that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor robinjojo Posted June 5, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted June 5, 2022 During my forays into the world of cyberspace auctions, I occasionally come across an interesting non-coin item, such as this Byzantine medallion. Byzantine bronze medallion, 7-12 centuries AD, possibly St Basil of Caesarea. 37.07 grams 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 My mom called Byzantine AE 'slag heaps' when I started collecting . Here's my favorite AE of the year: already posted in the old place: It's no Nero Sestertius, but it's an attractive coin. Justinian I (527-565). Æ 40 Nummi (37mm, 20.77g, 6h). Theoupolis (Antioch), year 20 (546/7). Facing helmed and cuirassed bust, holding globus cruiciger. R/ Large M; cross above, date across field; A/9HЧΠ. MIBE 145a; DOC 217; Sear 220. These are more slag heap territory, but the Justinian II is average for the type, and so is the Justinian Ravenna. My worst slag heaps aren't photographed, although they're about like this or better. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 5, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 That Ravenna is rough! But I like that the mint is clear. I I had a thought of collecting Byzantines by mint but some are pretty $$ Here is my Ravenna mint with sadly, no mintmark: Justinian I. AE Decanummium. 527-565 AD. Ravenna. DN IVSTINIANVS PP AVG, helmeted, cuirassed bust facing, holding cross on globe and shield / Large I, ANNO to left, regnal year to right, all within wreath. No mintmark. SB 326 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 Yeah, but look at the Sear plate 40 nummi. It's not much better. Those are unobtanium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted June 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 5, 2022 I don't have many coins from Ravenna, aside from the ubiquitous decanummium of Justinian (they seem to popping up everywhere, lately). But, here is one from Tiberius II: Byzantine Empire: Tiberius II Constantine (578-582) Æ Decanummium, Ravenna (Sear-472) Obv: DM TIB CONSTAN PP AVI (or similar); Crowned, cuirassed bust of Tiberius II facing, holding globus cruciger Rev: Large I between two crosses; all within wreath 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted June 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 11, 2022 For someone who collects on the peripheries of this stuff, this is a Terrific thread. Really loving it. All of my earlier Byzantine AE goes back too far for there to be (dealers') pics. But the discussion of the dialectic between design and strike evokes something much later, and western. Hope this isn't too intrusive. German empire; Konrad and the future Heinrich III as Emperor and heir designate ('King of the Romans'). Denar of Speyer, issued just before the Great Schism, when the Salian emperors were still actively appropriating Byzantine visual rhetoric to bolster their own dynastic pretensions. This one is a sadly typical strike. But it also includes the joined, facing portraits that go back to the much earlier Byzantine precedent that you guys have been amply demonstrating. Along with the ikonographic Mary orans with the infant Jesus on her breast (the little haloed guy), which shows up on Byzantine coins much more contemporaneously --I want to say during the Comnenan period. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furryfrog02 Posted June 11, 2022 · Supporter Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) I love the appropriation (?) of the byzantine coin imagery from other later rulers as well as some contemporaries. Here is an example I have from Venice: Venice. Pietro Gradenigo (1289-1311) 49th Doge of Venice AR Grosso Obv: PE GRADONICO DVX S M VENETI. Doge and St Marco standing facing, holding banner between them. Rev: IC - XC. Christ Pantokrator enthroned facing. Edited June 11, 2022 by Furryfrog02 Edited for grammar 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted June 11, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 11, 2022 @Furryfrog02, Yesss! ...But we should really start a whole new thread for that stuff. This is really pretty emphatically about earlier Byzantine, and as such, it's cool enough that I don't want to mess with it any more. Felt guilty the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevikens Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 15 hours ago, Furryfrog02 said: I love the appropriation (?) of the byzantine coin imagery from other later rulers as well as some contemporaries. Here is an example I have from Venice: Venice. Pietro Gradenigo (1289-1311) 49th Doge of Venice AR Grosso Obv: PE GRADONICO DVX S M VENETI. Doge and St Marco standing facing, holding banner between them. Rev: IC - XC. Christ Pantokrator enthroned facing. I had always thought that the Venetians had appropriated this design from the Byzantines until recently when I made a purchase of a few of these coins and only then realized that it was the Byzantines who copied the Grosso of Venice, not the Venetians appropriating the Baslikon for their use. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientOne Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 I know zilch about Byzantines other than I thought this one was purdy. Half follis AEMaurice Tiberius (582-602)23 mm, 5,60 g 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordianAppreciator101 Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) I am an Imperial Romans guy, however, after I saw this one I couldn't help it but grab it as it was very cheap. Leo VI + Alexander, 886-912, Bronze Follis. Really liked the full body representation, with two figures shown at the same time but making it clear who is the better emperor Spoiler alert: Alexander sucked. I need to take better pics of this one 😀 Edited June 12, 2022 by GordianAppreciator101 Typo 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBA Posted June 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted June 12, 2022 My personal favorite Justinian type (and probably the favorite coin of my entire collection): Justinian Ae Decanummium, Carthage mint (18.mm, 3.5gms) Obv: Bust of Justinian right with Christogram on breast Rev: Large I between two stars, cross above; KART in exergue 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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