expat Posted May 25 · Supporter Share Posted May 25 (edited) Only my second Medieval era coin. Obverse Cross pattée. Lettering: ✠ ⚜ PhS • P • TAR • DESP ⚜ Unabridged legend: Philippus, princeps Tarenti, despotes. Translation: Philippus princeps Taranti, despatus Reverse Castle tournois. Lettering: ✠ +NEPANTI CIVIS+ Edited May 26 by expat 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted May 25 · Supporter Share Posted May 25 I've never worked out the varieties of these (although your photo has the reverse first, which seems a common thing to do). Guillaume II de Villehardouin Denier Tournois, 1246-1278 Clarencia (Kyllini in Elis), Latin Kingdom of Constantinople and Thessalonica. Billon, 19mm, 0.83g. +G• PRINCE ACh' around cross pattée.+'CLARENTIA• Châtel tournois (CCS 10b). 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted May 25 · Member Share Posted May 25 @expat that's not Isabella but Philip de Taranto as Despot in Lepanto PhS P TAR DESP / NEPANTI CIVIS 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted May 25 · Supporter Share Posted May 25 (edited) 3 hours ago, seth77 said: @expat that's not Isabella but Philip de Taranto as Despot in Lepanto PhS P TAR DESP / NEPANTI CIVIS In one of history's more confusing family trees, I think Philip de Taranto as Despot in Lepanto is the same person as Philip I, son of Charles II of Anjou, aka Charles the Lame, King of Naples and a Prince of Achaea, who gave the Principality of Achaea to Isabella of Villehardouin, daughter of William II of Achaea (who had passed Achaea to Charles I because he had no sons), on Isabella's marriage to Florent of Hainaut, but when she later married without his consent to Philip I of Piedmont, aka Philip of Savoy, Charles II confiscated the principality and gave it to Philip I de Taranto. Edited May 25 by John Conduitt 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted May 25 · Member Share Posted May 25 The feudal complications of Morea after the first Angevin generation is what caused ultimately the downfall of the realm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcwyler Posted May 25 · Member Share Posted May 25 Funnily enough I obtained this last week from the silliest name in numismatics, Priapus. Seems the same as the OP coin, or similar? I know less than nothing about these! 14mm 0.61g. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted May 25 · Member Share Posted May 25 ...Argh, the one example I have is eluding capture on the thumb drive. But it's another one of Guillaume de Villehardouin (nice one, @John Conduitt). As an opening twist in the ever-accelerating dynastic complexity of the series, Guillaume was only collaterally related to the eponymous chronicler of the Fourth Crusade. ...But @seth77 is the Maven's Maven regarding the coins and, no less prominently, the exceptionally complex dynastic and (redundancy alert:) political history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaximander Posted May 27 · Member Share Posted May 27 (edited) On 5/25/2024 at 11:04 AM, John Conduitt said: I've never worked out the varieties of these... Guillaume II de Villehardouin Denier Tournois, 1246-1278 Clarencia (Kyllini in Elis), Latin Kingdom of Constantinople and Thessalonica. Billon, 19mm, 0.83g. +G• PRINCE ACh' around cross pattée.+'CLARENTIA• Châtel tournois (CCS 10b). Well, as varieties go, yours is CCS 10b, and mine is CCS 10a. The difference? 10a has a small V and a small D inserted in the reverse legend. Both have a luscious black patina. Crusaders. Achaia, William II de Villehardouin. 1245-1278 AD. BI Denier Tournois (0.92 gm, 19.1mm, 5h) of Corinth (?) Short cross pattée. ✠ :Ϭ: PRINCE ΛCh' (Guillaume, Prince of Achaia). / Châtel Tournois (Carolingian basilica of the Abbey of St Martin of Tours.), its spire in the form of Ʌ, ✠ above and ... below. v CLΛRENTIΛ D. gVF. Pegasi Numismatics A34 #898. Malloy Preston Seltman CCS (Achaea) 10a; Metcalf Pylia (ANSMN 17) pl. 39 #5, cf. Crusades (1995) # 255ff, (1983) pl.31 #718; Schlumberger pl. 12 #12. And here are the varieties that you probably had in mind, @John Conduitt (and we aren't them): Edited May 28 by Anaximander Adding full description and a varieties reference. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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