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2 minutes ago, expat said:

Тканина металу, на жаль, показує, що це сучасна підробка.

I found this coin myself, I am sure of its originality.I found this coin myself, I am sure of its originality.

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Please stop spamming us with your fake coin. 

Please stop spamming us with your fake coin. 

You ask for evaluation and then give us your own... 

You ask for evaluation and then give us your own... 

See I can do everything twice too.

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4 hours ago, Prieure de Sion said:

Це може статися - тисячі туристичних фальшивих монет викидають, і ви можете їх знайти. Але - ця монета не справжня. вибач 

Found in the mountainous area of Ukraine. The place is difficult to reach

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5 hours ago, traveler said:

Схоже, принаймні аверс фішки відповідає цій монеті:  https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=919012

RIC 58.

Стиль правильний, тому якщо це підробка, то має бути зліпок. Мені це не здається кинутим. Я можу помилятися.

The coin was used as a medallion

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5 hours ago, Ryro said:

Будь ласка, припиніть надсилати нам спам своїми фальшивими монетами. 

Будь ласка, припиніть надсилати нам спам своїми фальшивими монетами. 

Ви просите оцінку, а потім даєте нам власну... 

Ви просите оцінку, а потім даєте нам власну... 

Бачите, я теж можу все двічі.

I write through a translator, so it duplicates

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2 hours ago, pavlo said:

Found in the mountainous area of Ukraine. The place is difficult to reach

Ok but such places are not where the Romans went either. The Constantine coin has no flowlines, it is very round, it has a uniform strike (but yet the details are soft, like Constantine's face, and strange, like the soldier's face) and the surface is textured wrongly (see the rims). The weight is low. The mark at the top does not show it was used as a medallion - there would be a hole. It might instead be where a casting sprue was removed.

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1 hour ago, John Conduitt said:

Гаразд, але римляни теж не ходили в такі місця. На монеті Костянтина немає ліній течії, вона дуже кругла, має рівномірний удар (але деталі м’які, як обличчя Костянтина, і дивні, як обличчя солдата), а поверхня неправильно фактурна (див. обідки). Вага невелика. Позначка вгорі не показує, що він використовувався як медальйон - там мав бути отвір. Натомість це могло бути місце, де було видалено литий литник.

Here is an example of some coins that were also in that settlement, the coins were from Domitian to Aurelian 

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16 hours ago, pavlo said:

Hello, please help in the evaluation and definedHello, please help in the evaluation and defined

 

1 minute ago, pavlo said:

the coins were from Domitian to Aurelian 

 

Ok, but one question - don't get me wrong, everyone is welcome here - but you have determined the coins from Domitian to Aurelian, which means you know something and can identify coins safely. And you can apparently say with certainty that your coin is genuine (only collectors who know their stuff can do this with certainty - since you can say with certainty it is genuine - so you have to know your stuff). And you see with your eyes that the coin was set as a medallion. All of this leads me to conclude that you must be very knowledgeable if you know so much.

So why on earth are you asking for identification - finding the reference wasn't a problem - especially not if you know as much as you do. What is the point of this thread and the question about the ID? 

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16 minutes ago, Prieure de Sion said:

 

 

Гаразд, але одне запитання – не зрозумійте мене неправильно, сюди вітаються всі – але ви визначили монети від Доміціана до Авреліана, а це означає, що ви щось знаєте та можете безпечно ідентифікувати монети. І ви, мабуть, можете з упевненістю сказати, що ваша монета справжня (тільки колекціонери, які знаються на своїй справі, можуть зробити це з упевненістю - оскільки ви можете з упевненістю сказати, що вона справжня, тому ви повинні знати свою справу). І ви бачите своїми очима, що монета була встановлена як медальйон. Усе це приводить мене до висновку, що ви маєте бути дуже обізнаним, якщо знаєте так багато.

Отже, навіщо ви просите ідентифікацію - знайти посилання не було проблемою - особливо якщо ви знаєте стільки ж, скільки знаєте. У чому суть цієї теми та питання про ідентифікатор? 

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I apologize if something was wrong on my part, I just wanted to gather more information, because I know denarii, but not so much on such coins. But in reality, the coin looks better. Thank you🤝

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12 hours ago, traveler said:

It looks like at least an obverse die match to this coin: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=919012

RIC 58.

The style is correct, so if it's a fake it must be a cast. It doesn't appear cast to me though. I may be wrong.

It seems to be cast (some bubbles, apparent edge seam), but I didn't' comment earlier since I'm not 100% sure. I certainly wouldn't buy it.

The type is RIC 131, not RIC 58 (different mintmark - CONSIA vs dot CONSIA dot).

It's not an obverse match to that coin - this one has unusual 3-ended wreath ties, vs more common 2-ended on that one.

 

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40 minutes ago, Heliodromus said:

Здається, він відлитий (кілька бульбашок, очевидний шов), але я не коментував раніше, оскільки не впевнений на 100%. Я б точно не купив.

Тип — RIC 131, а не RIC 58 (інша позначка монетного двору — CONSIA проти крапки CONSIA dot).

Це не збіг з лицьовою стороною цієї монети – ця має незвичайні 3-кінцеві віночки, на відміну від більш поширених 2-кінцевих на тій монеті.

 

From above, where it fell, there was probably a soldered lug and there is a corresponding mark on the metal, I am not selling the coin, so there is no point in deceiving anyone, I am just interested in the history of the coin....maybe this is a new type of portrait?

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10 minutes ago, pavlo said:

....maybe this is a new type of portrait?

I haven't seen a die match to this coin, but the 3-ended ties are fairly common on gold coins of this time period. I've seen one silver die with this too.

Could you show pictures of the edge of your coin from all sides ?

 

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23 minutes ago, Heliodromus said:

Я не бачив, щоб кубик відповідав цій монеті, але зв’язки з трьома кінцями досить поширені на золотих монетах цього періоду. Я теж бачив, як один срібний помер із цим.

Не могли б ви показати зображення краю вашої монети з усіх боків?

 

 

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Sorry - I meant so we can see the thin edge of the coin.

On one of the pictures you posted we see a bit of the edge, and it looks like there might be a "casting seam" where the two halves of a casting mould were joined together. So, it would be interesting to see the whole edge of the coin (all the way around).

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17 minutes ago, Heliodromus said:

Вибачте, я мав на увазі, щоб ми могли побачити тонкий край монети.

На одному із зображень, які ви опублікували, ми бачимо частину краю, і, схоже, там може бути «ливарний шов», де дві половини ливарної форми були з’єднані разом. Отже, було б цікаво побачити весь край монети (навколо).

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Thanks.

I'm personally still unsure. The overall condition of the coin/surfaces does look odd. The scratches at top of both obv and rev look like cleaning scratches, which would be inconsistent with the photo you show of the coin with dirt on it if that is the "as found" condition (which also looks odd!).

Maybe others here will be more sure about it given all the extra photos you have posted.

If you want more opinions, then you could try posting photos to the FORVM web board:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php

The site owner, Joe Sermarini, is a coin dealer who's opinion I would trust.

You could also try to find a place (FaceBook?) where Barry Murphy, an expert who works for NGC, is active, and see if he will give an opinion. Or of course if you wanted to sell it at some point you could send it to NGC for authentication. Slabbing isn't going to add any value to a coin in this condition, but authentication would do.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Heliodromus said:

Thanks.

I'm personally still unsure. The overall condition of the coin/surfaces does look odd. The scratches at top of both obv and rev look like cleaning scratches, which would be inconsistent with the photo you show of the coin with dirt on it if that is the "as found" condition (which also looks odd!).

Maybe others here will be more sure about it given all the extra photos you have posted.

If you want more opinions, then you could try posting photos to the FORVM web board:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php

The site owner, Joe Sermarini, is a coin dealer who's opinion I would trust.

You could also try to find a place (FaceBook?) where Barry Murphy, an expert who works for NGC, is active, and see if he will give an opinion. Or of course if you wanted to sell it at some point you could send it to NGC for authentication. Slabbing isn't going to add any value to a coin in this condition, but authentication would do.

 

 

Thank you.. I found the coin and took the first photos with that green protrusion, and then I threw the coin in clean water for a few days and everything was cleaned with a plastic brush.

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The FORVM photos are much better, although the lighting makes the legends look suspiciously soft (much worse than on other photos above).

The cleaning scratches and bright silver are suspicious - why would it come out of the ground like that?

Do you mind if I post the FORVM photo here - I've color corrected them and joined obv + rev ?

 

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1 hour ago, Heliodromus said:

Фотографії FORVM набагато кращі, хоча освітлення робить легенди підозріло м’якими (набагато гірше, ніж на інших фотографіях вище).

Подряпини від чистки та яскраве срібло викликають підозру — навіщо це так із землі?

Ви не заперечуєте, якщо я опублікую тут фотографію FORVM - я виправив їх колір і приєднав obv + rev?

 

Ok

 

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