maridvnvm Posted July 30 · Member Share Posted July 30 One of the reverse types made by Probus from the 9th Issue at Lugdunum (January to August A.D. 282 - Bastien dating) is SALVS AVG, Salus standing left, feeding serpent rising from altar, holding patera and sceptre. These were made in the Second officina, which used the officina mark "B" in this issue, whiuch had been "II" in previous issues. The type is quite common but there are some scarcer variations which used "retrograde B" instead. The type is attributed to RIC 124 when combined with obverse legend "IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG" and to RIC 123 when combined with obverse legend "IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG" and RIC 122 when combined with obverse legend "IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG". RIC 122 appears to be quite difficult to obtain. RIC 123 is generally quite easy to obtain with Bust Type C (from rear) with the normal B officina mark. RIC 124 is generally quite easy to obtain with Bust Type F and Bust Type C (from front) with the normal B officina mark. Examples with Retrograde B are much more difficult to obtain. Here are some of my existing examples and my new addition (with Retrograde B).... RIC 124 Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– SALVS AVG, Salus standing left, feeding serpent rising from altar, holding patera and sceptre Minted in Lugdunum (B in right field) Emission 9, Officina 2. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Bastien 394. RIC 124 Bust type F. Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from front Rev:– SALVS AVG, Salus standing left, feeding serpent rising from altar, holding patera and sceptre Minted in Lugdunum (B in right field) Emission 9, Officina 2. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Cohen - . Bastien 393. RIC 124 Bust type C. RIC 123 Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from rear Rev:– SALVS AVG, Salus standing left, feeding serpent rising from altar, holding patera and sceptre Minted in Lugdunum (B in right field) Emission 9, Officina 2. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Cohen 567. Bastien 392. RIC 123 Bust type C. And finally my newest addition... This one was buried in a whole stack of slabbed coins and was not identified as being anything of interest. Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from rear Rev:– SALVS AVG, Salus standing left, feeding serpent rising from altar, holding patera and sceptre Minted in Lugdunum (Retrograde B in right field) Emission 9, Officina 2. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Cohen 567. Bastien -. Bastien Supplement I -. Bastien Supplement II -. RIC 123 Bust type C var (not listed with Retrograde B in right field). The Gloucester hoard contains a single example and there is an example in the Christophe Oliva collection. My slow patient search for the remaining sub-variants continues. Martin 13 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted July 30 · Patron Share Posted July 30 Cool!! I love "flyspecking" -- identifying bust varieties, die idiosyncrasies and such. These features, for example, can help narrow the date range of dateless coins, such as those of the Antonine women. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted July 30 · Supporter Share Posted July 30 That retrograde B seems to be fully upside down. I love how helpful the slab is - this is a coin of Probus, from sometime in his entire reign, or indeed from the whole 'Age of Chaos' (the Crisis of the Third Century?). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted July 30 · Member Share Posted July 30 No weight, no nothing. But hey, there's a grade! It's a nice coin, going to a nicer collection. I'm klutzy. I haven't attempted to free any of my slabs, although I want to. I don't have many. I could do the Negan/Lucille thing ok, but it would be not damaging the coin that would be the problem. There's only one or two of the slabbed coins which I really like, though. 90% of my slabs are the bare-bones kind, like this example. The Probus is held in by two, perhaps three sprockets. I'd be somewhat worried about it coming loose and banging about. It's barely touching the right bottom sprocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted July 31 · Member Author Share Posted July 31 @Roman Collector I take "flyspecking" to a whole new level with this sub-collection. For example, from the same issue and officina:- Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– TEMPOR FELICIT, Felicitas standing right, holding caduceus and cornucopiae Minted in Lugdunum. Emission 9, Officina 2. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Cohen 727. RIC 129 Bust type F The officina mark is know in left field, right field and also in the exergue. Bastien 386. B Left Bastien 397. B Right. Bastien 439. B in exe. About 4 or 5 examples known, all from the same die pair. There is a theory that this could have been the start of a new Emission that was cut short by the untimely death of the emperor. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maridvnvm Posted July 31 · Member Author Share Posted July 31 And even more so..... Obv:– IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG, Radiate draped and cuirassed bust right Rev:– SPES AVG, Spes standing left, holding flower and raising robe Minted in Lugdunum. Emission 9, Officina 3. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Cohen 702. RIC 127 Bust type C Bastien 402. C in left field Bastien 405. Retrograde C in left field Bastien 414. C in right field Bastien 419. Retrograde C in right field 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted July 31 · Patron Share Posted July 31 41 minutes ago, maridvnvm said: I take "flyspecking" to a whole new level with this sub-collection. 👍👍👍 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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