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Hey all, I'm going through my collection and was reminded that my example of this coin: https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=304594 isn't referenced in Schlumberger's Numismatique de l'Orient latin. Does anyone have a copy of Malloy or Metcalf that can double check that the reference is correct and share what the D-S-F-T is all about? Here's my version of the coin by the way.ant3t3.jpg.d7a1dd2caa9db3c83d719d6154919d74.jpg

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50 minutes ago, Captch said:

@Edessa since you just posted about medieval Antiochean coinage, I'm taking the liberty of @ing you...

 

 

Glad to oblige. Yes, the attribution looks correct. Metcalf says D-S-F-T stands for "Domine, salvum fac Tancredum" = God Save King Tancred. Both sources note that this issue of the third type is frequently overstruck on re-used flans of the second type: 

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=495250

There is a good chance that this might be your under-type. Metcalf also notes that some of the third type were overstruck on the first type.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=473586

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6 minutes ago, Edessa said:

Yes, the attribution looks correct.

Thank you so much! I assume that it's St. Peter that's depicted on the obverse.

4 minutes ago, Edessa said:

this issue of the third type is frequently overstruck on re-used flans of the second type

That makes sense with Schlumberger's argument about the second type - that maybe it was a little too daring to depict Tancred in local dress and cause a stir. I will have to see if the dots below St. Peter's cross looks like any of the words stamped on the obverse of that second type.

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@Broucheion It looks like my coin is in Schlumberger after all from the note you attached, just on a different plate than all of Tancred's other coins. If I follow what he wrote in that section correctly, that's because there is (was?) some debate as to where the final coins of Tancred's were minted, since he also was prince of Galilee. So that coin gets stuck into the section dealing with secondary baronies of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, since it's possible they could have been minted in Tiberias. Confusing...

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There was some debate about assigning these to Galilee but there are two problems with this attribution:

1. their pattern of distribution is fully northern Syrian and coastal, so radiating from Antioch

2. there is no copper-based monetary system at Jerusalem at this point, so the introduction of such a system by a vassal of the king in his domain at this early stage is very unlikely

This system of pseudo-Byzantine coinage was in place in Syria though even before the Crusaders arrived, some of the coppers that had been traditionally assigned to Trebizond (and still are by some auction houses) are in fact Syrian variations of the folles of the 11th century.

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Here is my example. 

Crusader States, Principality of Antioch. Tancred. Regent, AD 1101-1112. Æ Follis (24mm, 4.89g, 6h). Third type. Obv: Nimbate figure of St. Peter standing facing, raising hand in benediction and holding long cross; [S/P/Ε]-TRVS across fields. Rev: Cross; Đ-S/F-Ŧ in quarters. Latin acronym of "Domine, salvum fac Tancredum" = God Save King Tancred. Ref: Metcalf, Crusades 71; CCS 6. Near Very Fine, green patina, overstruck on an earlier issue, probably of the second type. image.jpeg.991ac618a1231e3452aace65a34efdcd.jpeg

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Huge thanks, @Broucheion!  Duly bookmarked. 

(Edit:) But no, @Captch, if you have any interest in pursuing the series, you're likely to want to find a copy of Malloy, Coins of the Crusader States; yep, in print.  I only have the first of two editions, going back to 1994.  But within the confines of a full-scale, bound reference, Malloy was very good at keeping up to date with the latest research from numismatic journals, including (to wallow in the obvious) hoard evidence.

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8 hours ago, Edessa said:

ooks like Kolbe & Fanning have a Second Edition for $110 plus shipping. Brooklyn Gallery has one on eBay for $77 plus shipping. Not too many listngs out there.

Allen Berman still has a stack of the 2nd edition of Malloy's Coins of the Crusader States and sells them for 75 USD: http://www.bermania.com/toppage1.htm . He is very knowledgeable about medieval coins and a pleasure to deal with.

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On 6/9/2023 at 6:35 PM, JeandAcre said:

(I'm just impressed by anyone who has Schlumberger!  I'm sure he'd be a fascinating complement to Malloy, not just in this instance.)

I have some of the crusader works including Schulmberger. If anyone would like photographs of pages, please ask. I al happy to help

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