NewStyleKing Posted July 15, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 I know that many Eastern European coin collections were destroyed and attempts to view the collections were refused! Source, Balkan Celts site and other bits and bobs I came upon. Gold pre-Hispanic ornaments replaced with "replicas" .... A museums staff did everything it could not to help in my free offer to catalogue the IGCH 2056 NewStyles from photographs...why...who knows! Probably the way they do research is different there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 15, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 Sadly, prov does not prove it is an original unless been individually assessed by an acknowledged expert. The Sponsius coins are to my mind fakes, but many are still unsure...modern fakes, ancient imitations...who knows? Photographs and published catalogues all add to the modern audit trail. What will the worth of "from the NewStyleKing collection" via Lanz eBay 2013. One could speculate Hoard from Bulgaria found c 2012 and smuggled into Germany 2013. Then if ebay records exist, then look at the coins sold around the time by the same and similar sellers will give it some background and verisimilitude. CNG Star and 2 Crescents NewStyle....appeared with 2 excellent Roma and Nike's ...methinks that they came altogether from somewhere! Is that prov enough? I use my own judgement, but prov does not prove genuineness! Maybe we all need a Rembrandt committee , but then not everyone agrees with them...eg Bendor Grosvenor! To me prov is useful but really another something for some coin collectors to obsess about and tick yet another OCD box . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted July 15, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2023 I think the point was that provenance would prove it isn’t a new fake, when proving so becomes very difficult. We’d still have to prove it wasn’t an old fake. Recording provenance isn’t OCD. If you don’t, you lose it forever. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 15, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, John Conduitt said: I think the point was that provenance would prove it isn’t a new fake, when proving so becomes very difficult. We’d still have to prove it wasn’t an old fake. Recording provenance isn’t OCD. If you don’t, you lose it forever. Good point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salomons Cat Posted July 15, 2023 · Member Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) So, to summarize, I think that we have at least 3 good and rational reasons why provenance is valuable: - Nobody knows how the legal situation develops. There is a good likelihood that at some point in the future there will be international legislation that regulates the trade with newly discovered ancient artifacts and then you need provenance. - Provenance provides protection against forgeries. This might become more important in the future, if new dangerous forgeries enter the market. - If you don't record provenance, you lose it. Even provenance from an ebay sale might be valuable one day. Or, if a forum member sold you a coin, from my point of view that would also be a good provenance if you document it. Edited July 15, 2023 by Salomons Cat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewStyleKing Posted July 15, 2023 · Member Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 I guess investments or making money decisions from coins is not a concern for me. And thus view things differently. I just love looking at numismatic papers and seeing if i can add anything to NewStyle studies. My speculations don't have great foundation really..I'm still looking! Reading about RR die studies, I'm trying to fathom what they have so far learnt, so I think that I might have more luck with NewStyle Athens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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