Examples of fake coins of the Roman Empire.

[Filat]

32 minutes ago, CPK said:

@Filat, what sort of numismatic background do you have? Can you give me a reason why I should take your opinions over those of NGC and multiple auction houses?

1. мой нумизматический опыт → свыше пятидесяти лет (my numismatic experience → over fifty years);
2. причина проста → необходимо более внимательно смотреть на мои картинки и необходимо более внимательно читайте мои тексты (the reason is simple → you need to look more carefully at my pictures and you need to read my texts more carefully).
 

[CPK]

2 minutes ago, Filat said:

1. мой нумизматический опыт → свыше пятидесяти лет (my numismatic experience → over fifty years);
2. причина проста → необходимо более внимательно смотреть на мои картинки и необходимо более внимательно читайте мои тексты (the reason is simple → you need to look more carefully at my pictures and you need to read my texts more carefully).
 

50 years doing what?

[Filat]

29 minutes ago, CPK said:

50 years doing what?

вопроса не понял (I don't understand the question).
 

[Ryro]

[Filat]

40 minutes ago, Ryro said:

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P.S. для сведения Ryro и ему подобным → рассматриваю и комментирую только конкретные контрдоводы здесь мною сказанному и показанному (For the information of Ryro and others like him → I consider and comment only on specific counterarguments to what I have said and shown here). 
 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Filat

[Filat]

2 hours ago, Filat said:

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P.S. для сведения Ryro и ему подобным → рассматриваю и комментирую только конкретные контрдоводы здесь мною сказанному и показанному (For the information of Ryro and others like him → I consider and comment only on specific counterarguments to what I have said and shown here). 

для формирования конкретных контрдоводов здесь мною сказанному и показанному см. источники (for the formation of specific counter-arguments here I have said and shown, see sources):
 

https://coins.ha.com/itm/ancients/roman-imperial/ancients-diva-faustina-senior-wife-of-antoninus-pius-died-ad-140-1-av-aureus-19mm-702-gm-6h-ngc/a/3056-30034.s?type=YouTube-VLD-060215#

 

https://coins.ha.com/itm/ancients/roman-imperial/faustina-junior-daughter-of-antoninus-pius-wife-of-marcus-aurelius-augusta-ad-149-175-6-av-aureus-19mm-704-gm-5h-ngc/a/3056-30038.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115

[DonnaML]

4 hours ago, CPK said:

@Filat, what sort of numismatic background do you have? Can you give me a reason why I should take your opinions over those of NGC and multiple auction houses?

I'd appreciate it if you could answer in English.

I already asked him to use google translate or another machine translator to put his posts in English, but after complying once or twice he stopped doing so almost immediately. He's just too damn lazy and wants everyone else to do that work for him. (Not, of course, that he appears actually to have anything worthwhile to say, in any language.) But expects us to trust his little circles. Without any evidence of his qualifications. How do you put someone on ignore again?

Edited February 7, 2023 by DonnaML

[SimonW]

@DonnaML, he does provide a translation right after the Russian part.

[Filat]

14 minutes ago, DonnaML said:

I already asked him to use google translate or another machine translator to put his posts in English, but after complying once or twice he stopped doing so almost immediately. He's just too damn lazy and wants everyone else to do that work for him. (Not, of course, that he appears actually to have anything worthwhile to say, in any language.) But expects us to trust his little circles. Without any evidence of his qualifications. How do you put someone on ignore again?

Вы, DonnaML, не видите перевод моих текстов на английский язык в моих сообщениях (You, DonnaML, do not see the translation of my texts into English in my messages)?
 

[Filat]

1 hour ago, Filat said:

3 hours ago, Filat said:

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P.S. для сведения Ryro и ему подобным → рассматриваю и комментирую только конкретные контрдоводы здесь мною сказанному и показанному (For the information of Ryro and others like him → I consider and comment only on specific counterarguments to what I have said and shown here). 

для формирования конкретных контрдоводов здесь мною сказанному и показанному см. источники (for the formation of specific counter-arguments here I have said and shown, see sources):
 

https://coins.ha.com/itm/ancients/roman-imperial/ancients-diva-faustina-senior-wife-of-antoninus-pius-died-ad-140-1-av-aureus-19mm-702-gm-6h-ngc/a/3056-30034.s?type=YouTube-VLD-060215#

 

https://coins.ha.com/itm/ancients/roman-imperial/faustina-junior-daughter-of-antoninus-pius-wife-of-marcus-aurelius-augusta-ad-149-175-6-av-aureus-19mm-704-gm-5h-ngc/a/3056-30038.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115

для сведения → конкретных контрдоводов здесь мною сказанному и показанному от Ryro и  DonnaML пока не вижу (for information → I don’t see specific counterarguments here to what I said and showed from Ryro and DonnaML).
 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Filat

[Kaleun96]

3 hours ago, Filat said:

for information → I don't see specific counterarguments here to what I said and showed from Ryro and   DonnaML ) .
 

I have asked you several times how you are able to determine that some things you have circled are bubbles from casting and not dust, deposits, debris, or similar. 

On some of the coins you have posted in the other threads, there does appear to be some "cold shot" or other casting defect, but they are quite different in appearance to the things you've circled in this thread. Either the things you have circled cannot be identified by anyone because it's a blur of pixels, or you've circled something that is likely die rust and you've made zero attempt to explain why you think it is a defect of casting and not die rust. You can't just circle things and expect us to believe you, you need to make an argument. So why can these things you've circled not be die rust? If you can't explain that, don't expect anyone to believe you.

Not to mention some other things you have circled which are very likely shadows, dust, deposits/toning, or just specular highlights from the lighting used for the photography.

[Filat]

@Kaleun96, ну, о какой ржавчине на золотом ауреусе может идти речь? → @Kaleun96, well, what rust on a gold aureus can you talk about?

[Kaleun96]

5 minutes ago, Filat said:

@Kaleun96 , well, what kind of rust on a gold aureus are we talking about? → @Kaleun96 , well, what rust on a gold aureus can you talk about?

Die rust. It's not rust of the gold itself, it's where the iron die that struck the coins has rusted and caused the surface of the die to become pitted. It is very common to see in ancient coins but also modern coins too: https://www.indianvarieties.com/what-is-a-die-variety/rst-die-rust/

Similarly, flow lines on coins are also due to stress marks in the die that are then imprinted on the coins those dies strike. You have to take these things into account before declaring a coin is fake.

[Filat]

14 minutes ago, Kaleun96 said:

Die rust

Ржавые штампы оформляющие на золотой монете выпуклые наплывы каплевидной формы - это что-то новое. → The rusty stamps decorating the gold coin with convex drop-shaped impressions are something new. 
 

[ambr0zie]

Hello @Filat. What is the amount of fake coins you estimate on the market? An approximated percentage? I mean the types of coins the users from this forum are mainly interested in - ancient coins. 

[Filat]

39 minutes ago, ambr0zie said:

Hello @Filat. What is the amount of fake coins you estimate on the market? An approximated percentage? I mean the types of coins the users from this forum are mainly interested in - ancient coins. 

дабы не накалять страсти, воздержусь от ответа на Ваш ворос, ambr0zie. → I will refrain from answering your question, ambr0zie, so as not to inflame passions.
 

[DonnaML]

6 hours ago, Kaleun96 said:

I have asked you several times how you are able to determine that some things you have circled are bubbles from casting and not dust, deposits, debris, or similar. 

On some of the coins you have posted in the other threads, there does appear to be some "cold shot" or other casting defect, but they are quite different in appearance to the things you've circled in this thread. Either the things you have circled cannot be identified by anyone because it's a blur of pixels, or you've circled something that is likely die rust and you've made zero attempt to explain why you think it is a defect of casting and not die rust. You can't just circle things and expect us to believe you, you need to make an argument. So why can these things you've circled not be die rust? If you can't explain that, don't expect anyone to believe you.

Not to mention some other things you have circled which are very likely shadows, dust, deposits/toning, or just specular highlights from the lighting used for the photography.

Here's one way of verifying (or not) the significance of @Filat's circles: for comparison purposes, let him post photos of coins that he believes are genuine (if he thinks any exist!) under similar magnification, that do NOT show any of the same things he's circled in the supposed fakes.

[Kaleun96]

11 minutes ago, DonnaML said:

Here's one way of verifying (or not) the significance of @Filat's circles: for comparison purposes, let him post photos of coins that he believes are genuine (if he thinks any exist!) under similar magnification, that do NOT show any of the same things he's circled in the supposed fakes.

Exactly, I've asked this twice and so far he's ignored my request both times. 

[Kaleun96]

4 hours ago, Filat said:

Ржавые штампы оформляющие на золотой монете выпуклые наплывы каплевидной формы - это что-то новое. → The rusty stamps decorating the gold coin with convex drop-shaped impressions are something new. 
 

So all of these coins are fake too? If not, you need to show how the "drop-shaped impressions" on the coin you think is fake is different to the similar impressions on the coins below.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-hadrian-ad-117-138-av-aureus-20mm-712-gm-6h-ngc-choice-au-5-5-5-5-fine-style/a/3056-30012.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-hadrian-ad-117-138-av-aureus-20mm-700-gm-6h-ngc-au-5-5-5-5-fine-style/a/3056-30013.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-hadrian-ad-117-138-av-aureus-20mm-712-gm-6h-ngc-xf-5-5-4-5/a/3056-30015.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-hadrian-ad-117-138-av-aureus-19mm-727-gm-6h-ngc-choice-xf-5-5-4-5-marks/a/3056-30018.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-19mm-695-gm-6h-ngc-ms-5-5-4-5/a/3056-30024.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-20mm-702-gm-7h-ngc-ms-5-5-4-5-fine-style/a/3056-30023.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-aelius-caesar-ad-136-138-av-aureus-19mm-698-gm-6h-ngc-au-5-5-5-5-fine-style/a/3056-30022.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-20mm-720-gm-5h-ngc-ms-5-5-5-5andnbsp-/a/3056-30025.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-20mm-698-gm-5h-ngc-choice-au-5-5-4-5-fine-style/a/3056-30027.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-19mm-707-gm-6h-ngc-choice-au-5-5-4-5/a/3056-30028.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-20mm-711-gm-6h-ngc-choice-au-5-5-5-5/a/3056-30030.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-antoninus-pius-ad-138-161-av-aureus-19mm-706-gm-6h-ngc-au-5-5-4-5/a/3056-30031.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-diva-faustina-senior-wife-of-antoninus-pius-died-ad-140-1-av-aureus-19mm-701-gm-6h-ngc-choice-au-5-5-4-5/a/3056-30035.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-diva-faustina-senior-wife-of-antoninus-pius-died-ad-140-1-av-aureus-20mm-714-gm-5h-ngc-choice-xf-5-5-5-5/a/3056-30036.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/roman-imperial/ancient-coins/ancients-lucius-verus-ad-161-169-av-aureus-19mm-729-gm-12h-ngc-ms-5-5-5-5andnbsp-/a/3056-30040.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515

Edited February 7, 2023 by Kaleun96

[Roerbakmix]

@Filatclearly behaves like a troll, either intentional or unintentional. I would kindly advise to move on, and let this post sink as to give other posts the attention they deserve. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Roerbakmix

[Filat]

6 hours ago, Kaleun96 said:

Die rust

для сведения → "Ржавые штампы" - это сказка для детей дошкольного возраста. За ржавые штампы для чеканки монет на любом монетном дворе у виновника оторвут не только руки, но и голову. За "ржавые штампы" для чеканки золотых монет - тем более. Во времена Фаустин - и подавно. → For information → "Die rust " is a fairy tale for preschool children. For rusty stamps for minting coins at any mint, not only the hands, but also the head will be torn off from the culprit. For "rusty stamps" for minting gold coins - even more so. In the time of Faustin - and even more so.
 

[Filat]

Ауреус Тацита.

в синих кругах мы видим лишь малую часть мелких пузырьков  воздуха, которые не лопнули, в процессе литья данного изделия. → in the blue circles we see only a small part of the small air bubbles that did not burst during the casting of this product.

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P.S. сообщаю → не рассматриваю и не комментирую картинки монет вне перечня тех, что предложены к обсуждению мной в этой теме (I inform → I do not consider and do not comment on pictures of coins outside the list of those proposed for discussion by me in this thread).
 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Filat

[LONGINUS]

Thank you for your interesting post, @Filat!

I’m not an expert. Please tell us more. 

Also, I love the type font in your posts. Is it Cyrillic?

 

Edited February 7, 2023 by LONGINUS

[Phil Davis]

1 hour ago, Filat said:

 For rusty stamps for minting coins at any mint, not only the hands, but also the head will be torn off from the culprit. For "rusty stamps" for minting gold coins - even more so. In the time of Faustin - and even more so.
 

Please cite the ancient source or sources for this important piece of historical research.

[Kaleun96]

1 hour ago, Filat said:

для сведения → "Ржавые штампы" - это сказка для детей дошкольного возраста. За ржавые штампы для чеканки монет на любом монетном дворе у виновника оторвут не только руки, но и голову. За "ржавые штампы" для чеканки золотых монет - тем более. Во времена Фаустин - и подавно. → For information → "Die rust " is a fairy tale for preschool children. For rusty stamps for minting coins at any mint, not only the hands, but also the head will be torn off from the culprit. For "rusty stamps" for minting gold coins - even more so. In the time of Faustin - and even more so.

🤣

I guess every numismatist is wrong then and museums should throw away their collections of coins exhibiting even the slightest amount of die rust. That must be thousands of coins, many are likely historically important and have been studied by various numismatists for decades! It's amazing how they must all be wrong and you're the only one who knows the truth.

Well at least I know there's no point discussing this any further. Only question is what we do when Filat decides to post most "fake" coins and potentially mislead people.