JeandAcre Posted November 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Edessa said: AYYUBID: (Saladin), AD 1169-1193, AR dirham, Dimashq, AH578. Ref: A-787.2. Very Fine. Ex Stephen Album. ...Oh, Right, and that only means (yawn) that it's Saladin. The calligraphy, and the strike on the reverse, are slowly, quietly blowing my head off. (Edit:) ...What I remember is seeing the date range before the name. ...You're under no obligation to believe me. Edited November 15, 2022 by JeandAcre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted November 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, VD76 said: Space filler without breaking the budget .... Lordship of Carytaena . Helena Angelina Comnena 1291-1300. Denier tournois. 17mm/ 0.47 g. +ҺELENA DI GRA, cross pattée +CLARICTIA S F , châtel tournois. Sch. XII, 28; CCS 77b This is a wonderful specimen and what makes it so good is that despite the less than stellar preservation state it has everything there to securely attribute to Helena Angelina. What an extraordinary find, congrats. 9 hours ago, JeandAcre said: Right, @seth77 needs to publish a book on the subject ...if he hasn't already, and is just being modest. Well, after J. Baker's 'Coinage and Money in Medieval Greece 1200-1430' there will not be a need for a comprehensive book on the Frankokratia coinage for a long time, but certain short articles clarifying minute aspects are always welcome I guess. One of these will be in the next Koinon and it's dealing with both coins and your other interest @JeandAcre, the vervelle or harness pendant. 9 hours ago, Severus Alexander said: Fantastic!! Did you cherry-pick that unidentified? I recently filled in my Spanish medieval a bit. Here's my new Alfonso I of Aragon: (this was in that crazy Cayon rapid auction format. Has anyone tried one of those?) That is actually one of the variations of dinero vellon bienpeinao minted under Alfonso VIII 'el de Las Navas' King of Castile 1158-1214, I reckon it's Imperatrix tipo 30 according to Ana Serrano et al. These are some of the earlier emissions for this general type, minted between early 1177 and mid 1195. Being of 'buena tecnica' and an obvious rich billon, your coin is likely a product of the initial workshop of Toledo. Afterwards the quality and billon title declined as the type became immobilized and produced by a mobile mint following Alfonso in his campaigns. Here's one struck by such an itinerant mint in the advent of the battle of Alarcos (July 1195) or the epic battle of Las Navas (July 1212) or -- less likely -- sometime in between. With the vastest quantities minted around the punctual events, it's likely to be one of those issues, either the summer of 1195 or 1211-1212, Imperatrix tipo 32: And a rather scarcer return-to-form type struck after Las Navas but still a lifetime issue of Alfonso VIII, ca. July 1212 to October 1214, tipo 38. By this time the coinage is so widespread and known that it had taken the popular name of 'dinero pepion'. This type becomes immobilized after the death of Alfonso and is still struck by Fernando III to around 1240-50, seeing again a continuous degradation in style and billon as we progress chronologically. Edited November 15, 2022 by seth77 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted November 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) @seth77, your erudition is inexhaustible. ...Is Koinon, or any part of it, available online? Edited November 15, 2022 by JeandAcre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted November 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, JeandAcre said: @seth77, your erudition is inexhaustible. ...Is Koinon, or any part of it, available online? This year's edition will be about before the end of the year I reckon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted November 16, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 16, 2022 Is there a link to it, or anything related to it? It sounds like the kind of thing I'd pin, never mind bookmark. As in, I'd Make room to pin it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znmto Posted November 16, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 16, 2022 France. Henry IV 1589-1610. Dijon. Half franc. 1603 over 1. AR (28mm, 6.79g, 5h). OBV: Laureate and cuirassed right with small flat collar. REV: "Blossoming Cross" with H at center turned 90 deg. Ref: C.1534 L.1061 Dy.1212 Sb4766. Holed and plugged. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted November 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) @znmto, I like how the two portaits complement each other, across centuries and media. The half franc is terrifc, plug or not. As an issue this late, from France's Far East (<--sorry), I can't doubt that it's a scarce issue. The legends are as pristine as you could want. Not least in comparison to a lot of the contemporaneous, late Tudor examples I've seen, online and off. Here's one from the same town. I like it a lot; it was my avatar in the old forum. Duchy of Burgundy. Hughes IV, Duc de Bourgogne 1218-1272. Obv. +VGO BVRGVNDIE. In field, 'DVX.'' Rev. Cross, with arrows in two angles (imitating deniers of Provins in Champagne --Burgundy's primary trading partner, by way of the famous Champagne Fairs). +DIVIONENSIS. Dumas 8-1-1 (as cited in the Alde /OGN catalogue, 16 and 17 June 2011), var. Edited November 17, 2022 by JeandAcre 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znmto Posted November 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, JeandAcre said: @znmto, I like how the two portaits compement each other, across centuries and media. The half franc is terrifc, plug or not. As an issue this late, from France's Far East (<--sorry), I can't doubt that it's a scarce issue. The legends are as pristine as you could want. Not least in comparison to a lot of the contemporaneous, late Tudor examples I've seen, online and off. Here's one from the same town. I like it a lot; it was my avatar in the old forum. Duchy of Burgundy. Hughes IV, Duc de Bourgogne 1218-1272. Obv. +VGO BVRGVNDIE. In field, 'DVX.'' Rev. Cross, with arrows in two angles (imitating deniers of Provins in Champagne --Burgundy's primary trading partner, by way of the famous Champagne Fairs). +DIVIONENSIS. Dumas 8-1-1 (as cited in the Alde /OGN catalogue, 16 and 17 June 2011), var. Thanks! I actually don't know too much about it, so I appreciate the context. Apparently there are no examples of 1603 over 1 found online. I got the coin from Old Pete. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted November 17, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 12:45 AM, seth77 said: That is actually one of the variations of dinero vellon bienpeinao minted under Alfonso VIII 'el de Las Navas' King of Castile 1158-1214, I reckon it's Imperatrix tipo 30 according to Ana Serrano et al. These are some of the earlier emissions for this general type, minted between early 1177 and mid 1195. Being of 'buena tecnica' and an obvious rich billon, your coin is likely a product of the initial workshop of Toledo. Afterwards the quality and billon title declined as the type became immobilized and produced by a mobile mint following Alfonso in his campaigns. Here's one struck by such an itinerant mint in the advent of the battle of Alarcos (July 1195) or the epic battle of Las Navas (July 1212) or -- less likely -- sometime in between. With the vastest quantities minted around the punctual events, it's likely to be one of those issues, either the summer of 1195 or 1211-1212, Imperatrix tipo 32: And a rather scarcer return-to-form type struck after Las Navas but still a lifetime issue of Alfonso VIII, ca. July 1212 to October 1214, tipo 38. By this time the coinage is so widespread and known that it had taken the popular name of 'dinero pepion'. This type becomes immobilized after the death of Alfonso and is still struck by Fernando III to around 1240-50, seeing again a continuous degradation in style and billon as we progress chronologically. Edited 16 hours ago by seth77 Thank you so much for this info @seth77!! I am lamentably ignorant about Spanish coins. Though I'm surprised that Cayón would make such a mistake... they should surely know better? 🤔 I will need to go through the rest of my haul from that auction, referring to that Imperatrix catalogue, in case there are other ID problems. Looks to be a large project as I bought quite a few coins... The "rapid auction" itself was crazy. It's a timed auction (like CNG) except all the lots in the entire auction end at the exact same time, unless they get a bid in the last few minutes, in which case the bidding is extended by 10 minutes (or so? it didn't seem to be very consistent). There were lots of duplicate coins, so if you whiffed on one, you had a mad scramble on your hands to see if there was any bidding time left on your backup choice, or 2nd backup, or... you get the idea. Utterly mad, and the results were all over the place as a result, no rhyme nor reason to them. I can't imagine why Cayón thinks this is a good idea! 🙄 I did manage to pick up quite a few cheap Spanish medievals, though. Here are three more of them: I know the attribution on the middle one is controversial. It may be an Alfonso XI, or even something else minted in Poitou. As you can see I have work to do... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted November 17, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 17, 2022 @Severus Alexander : Alfonso I is an old identification from an earlier catalog that many auction houses and ebay sellers still cling to despite the present state of the research which points to Alfonso VIII and heirs, with a span from ca. 1177-1250. The reason for this early wrong attribution is probably due to the bust - some of the early ones and those around 1212-1214 resemble the coinage of Sancho Ramirez, Pedro el de Huesca and Alfonso el Batallador (especially the Navarese dinero of Alfonso, see here). The 'don Manuel' coin is interesting but I doubt its a Poitevin issue: in 1271-3 the County of Poitou reverted to Philipe III of France at the death with no male heirs of Alphonse de France and it stayed attached to the Crown of France until 1314 (1311) when it was awarded as appanage to Philippe de France (the future Philippe V of France) and then reattached in 1316 with Philippe ascension to the Crown. So unless there is some land grant in Poitou by Philippe IV to don Juan Manuel in the 1290s to 1300 that we don't yet know about, the reverse legend makes no sense. The type of coinage was not by any case used in Poitou at that time (I think Poitiers minted the royal denier tournois after at least 1273 and started minting the comtal denier tournois for prince Philippe in 1314). So what's with A DE PICTA... on the reverse there? I think it might be a possible transference of legend from the earlier high billon deniers of Richard Lionheart, that certainly did reach Navarre and Castile in the late 12th to the 13th century, but I am almost certain that don Juan Manuel did not mint in Poitou. In fact I'm not even sure that these coins can be safely attributed to him (it is said that he did mint coins but that could mean instead that he had a mint under his control and enjoyed the profits of the seigneuriage while minting the regular Royal coinage) -- the mintmark indicates Burgos but Burgos was not in his domains which makes this at the very least a semi-official coinage if not a downright usurpation of the Royal right and counterfeiting. 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted November 21, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) Landed this on USebay over the weekend. Put a very modest bid on it, walked away ...and the needle never moved. Henry III, Long cross, Class 3a2 for my guess; Nicole on Lund. Promise you, the price was right. Edited November 21, 2022 by JeandAcre 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor VD76 Posted November 28, 2022 · Benefactor Author Benefactor Share Posted November 28, 2022 Principality of Achaea. Guillaume II de Villehardouin, 1246-1278. AE Denier 0.9 g . + •G. PRINCEPS• Bare head of Guillaume facing. + •AChAIE •Cross with a pellet in each quarter. Metcalf 870 ; CCS 5 ; Schlumberger XII, 6. 7 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted November 28, 2022 · Member Share Posted November 28, 2022 Wow, one of the great rarities of Frankish Greece. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor VD76 Posted November 28, 2022 · Benefactor Author Benefactor Share Posted November 28, 2022 Principality of Achaea, William of Villehardouin (Guillaume II de Villehardouin ) 1245 - 1278 AE denier . 0.683g 18.2mm Corinth mint G • P • ACCAIE • long cross, extending beyond inner circular border and dividing legend + • CORINTVOm (clockwise from 2:00, N appearing as H, Om ligate), fortified castle, cross flanked by pellets above CCS 3 ; Schlumberger pl. XII, 7 ex Varesi auction 42 (17 Nov 2003), lot 1563; Ex Forum . Principality of Achaea, William of Villehardouin (Guillaume II de Villehardouin ) 1245 - 1278 AE denier . 0.6 Gr. G • P • ACCAIE • Short cross pattee . + CORINTI • Genoese gateway . CCS 1 ; Schl. XII,10. Metcalf 881-883 Principality of Achaea, William of Villehardouin (Guillaume II de Villehardouin )1245 - 1278 AE denier . 0.7 Gr. G • P • ACCAIE • Short cross pattee . + CORINTI• Genoese gateway . CCS 1 ; Schl. XII,10. Metcalf 881-883 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted November 28, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted November 28, 2022 I picked up this small bracteate for a bargain price in October and finally found time to take pictures yesterday. It is a common type, but it was still missing from my collection and I like the bug-eyed boar's head: Schweidnitz (Silesia), civic mint, AR hohlpfennig, 14th/15th c. Obv: boar’s head r. Rev: incuse design (bracteate). 14mm, 0.29g. Friedensburg 358; Saurma 212; Slg. Bonhoff 1071. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted December 5, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) Gasp. How I missed all of last week, until just now, is completely beyond me. Apologies to one and all. Speaking of architectural motifs (@VD76, those are phenomenal), for me, those are a favorite feature Salian-era denars. Here's one I don't remember posting for a while. Archbishopric of Cologne /Koln. Anno II, 1056-1075. Obv. Anno facing, tonsured, holding crozier and cross. +ANNO A[RCHIE-P-C]. Rev. The old cathedral, dating to Carolingian times, with a central tower (or dome?), flanked by two smaller ones; 'PETRI' inside; wall with gate in front. +IMAGO [S COL]ONIE. Dannenberg 398 (this variant). Edited December 5, 2022 by JeandAcre 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted December 5, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 5, 2022 I don't have anything architectural. It's as if the Medieval Britons didn't live in buildings. Posting every week would get through my coins pretty quick 😁 But I haven't posted many early Saxon coins yet.Series U Type 23c Secondary Sceatta, 710-760Upper Thames. Silver, 0.64g. Figure standing facing on a crescent boat, holding two crosses. Pecking bird in vine right (S 816A). 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted December 6, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 6, 2022 Wow, @John Conduitt, the combination of the geography and the relentlessly cool motifs is making me sit up. Now I'm glad, all over again, that I wound up with even one representative example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted December 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Here's one I can confidently say has never been posted on this forum. German empire, Heinrich III-V (as emperor, not heir /'King of the Romans'), 1046-1125. Scyphate denar of Milan. Obv. In field: (top:) HE (ellided); (bottom:) N; (center:) RIC. Border: +IMPERATOR. Rev. MEDIOLANVM. Biaggi 1413 (from a citation on ACsearch). Edited December 12, 2022 by JeandAcre 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted December 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 12, 2022 @JeandAcre I think that these issues with the 'cunei' are later immobilizations, depending also on weight (what's the weight of yours?) -- I'll return with more once I get the time to check some notes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted December 12, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Many thanks, @seth77. Did I get it right that you're referring to the quasi-cuneiform features of the lettering? ...Obviously enough, as conventionally attributed, it's already immobilized. Are you talking about phases into the next and even the 14th century, along the lines of Genoa and, for civic issues, So Much More? ...Say on! Looking forward to what you find. Edited December 12, 2022 by JeandAcre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Conduitt Posted December 12, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2022 Another coin I don't think has been posted.Jani Beg Dang, Dirham AH742/1341-1342Saray al-Jadida, Golden Horde. Silver, 1.63g. Janibeg / Khan (in circle); Just Sultan Jalal ed-din Mahmud (around). Minted in Saray / al Jedida / 742 (Sagdeeva 215). 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seth77 Posted December 13, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 13, 2022 22 hours ago, JeandAcre said: Here's one I can confidently say has never been posted on this forum. German empire, Heinrich III-V (as emperor, not heir /'King of the Romans'), 1046-1125. Scyphate denar of Milan. Obv. In field: (top:) HE (ellided); (bottom:) N; (center:) RIC. Border: +IMPERATOR. Rev. MEDIOLANVM. Biaggi 1413 (from a citation on ACsearch). Ok, so this general attribution to the 'Enriciani' Heinrich III-V comes from Corpus Nummorum Italicorum, 1914. Your coin is CNI V p. 48 #2. More recent research include: 1. O. Murari - La moneta milanese nel periodo della dominazione tedesca e del Comune (961-1250), 1981 -- places these denari terzoli 'con cunei' to Friedrich Barbarossa and Heinrich VI (1152-1197) 2. L. Travaini - La moneta milanese tra X e XII secolo. Zecche e monete in Lombardia da Ottone I alla riforma monetaria di Federico Barbarossa, 1989 -- ca. 1167 to 1197 3. Diaz Tabernero, Geiger, Matzke - Cantone Ticino: ritrovamenti monetali da chiese, 2012 -- set them to 1170-1200 based on actual hoard and single finds research Matzke et al seems to be the definitive state of the research at this point. The denari terzoli are ca. 16mm with a median of 0.70g, smaller and lighter than the earlier denari imperiali minted for the 'Enriciani' up to about 1150. They were struck by the Comune di Milano and not an Imperial baillie. This is very similar to your coin from the Vittorio Emanuele III Coll. p. 116+ #188> 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeandAcre Posted December 14, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 14, 2022 Many thanks for your generously comprehensive and enlightening explication, @seth77. ...When it comes to references, if I don't buy 'em myself, I don't see 'em. Period, full stop.* That's why, for instance, for Norman and Staufen Sicily, if I find a cheaper reference that cites better ones, I'm kind of stuck being happy with that. You do several of us a profound service when you fill in the gaps like this. Thanks again, Lots. * Once, once, I landed a copy of the more recent edition of Metcalf on Crusader coins, via American Interlibrary Loan, and xeroxed the holy stuff out of it. The source, a university in Florida, never loaned it again. ...On the other hand, when a French dealer on Delcampe and ebay sold me his copy of Dumas, Fecamp at his cost, it was a major personal milestone --along with being another truly extraordinary instance of generosity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted December 15, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 15, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:09 PM, VD76 said: Principality of Achaea. Guillaume II de Villehardouin, 1246-1278. AE Denier 0.9 g . + •G. PRINCEPS• Bare head of Guillaume facing. + •AChAIE •Cross with a pellet in each quarter. Metcalf 870 ; CCS 5 ; Schlumberger XII, 6. lovely, a type I havent seen before (but I am still learning many of the byzantine neighbors) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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