Da 12 of Mount O

[Ryro]

The original twelve Gods of Mount Olympus. Do you have them all? I do... kinda of. By subbing a few with their Roman counterparts, here are some favs!

Zeus/Jupiter

Poseidon/Neptune

Hera/Juno

Demeter/Ceres

Aphrodite/Venus

Athena/Minerva 

Artemis/Diana

Apollo/Ryro

Ares/Mars

Hephaestus/Vulcan

Hermes/Mercury

Dionysos/Bacchus

 

And bonus points for the 13th Hestia/Vesta (technically we have said Dionysos was a later addition, but more and more finds continue to show that he was around BEFORE some of the other "original" 12).

 

If you got em, we want to see em!

Edited January 20, 2023 by Ryro

[ambr0zie]

Even if I know each and every coin in my collection, I just realized I didn't check this subcollection (the 12/13 Olympians). When I was a beginner, this was a clear target but I was far from it, of course. I just realized I completed it in the same way you did, @Ryro. Thanks. And great idea for a thread.
When I say "the same way" I cheated with some being only the Greek/Roman version and for Hephaistos/Vulcan I ticked the same type of coin you have. 

Zeus/Jupiter

 

 

Poseidon/Neptune - just Neptune

Hera/Juno

 

 

Demeter/Ceres - just Ceres - I have a few Ceres reverses, but the coolest is definitely this one with her driving a biga of snakes 

Aphrodite/Venus

Aphrodite AND Dyonisus 

 

Athena/Minerva 

(I strongly suspect this is Virtus not Minerva, so here is a clear Minerva coin)

Artemis/Diana

Apollo/Pashka (you got the Roman name wrong)

Ares/Mars - just Mars 

Hephaestus/Vulcan - same cheat code you used 

Hermes/Mercury

Dionysos/Bacchus - Dionysos on the Aphrodite coin, Bachus on the Ceres RR with biga of snakes and also on this one (Bacchus/Liber)

Hestia/Vesta - just Vesta

Edited January 20, 2023 by ambr0zie

[DonnaML]

Wonderful idea for a thread, @Ryro! If I don't get to it today, I'll try to put something together over the weekend.

The question of the age: Who is the modern-day manifestation of Apollo: @Ryro or Pashka?

Edited January 20, 2023 by DonnaML

[kirispupis]

Nice thread! I was actually wondering whether I had these myself, so I'll figure it out in the thread... 🙂

#1 Zeus

Macedonian Kingdom, Philip II AR Tetradrachm.
Pella mint, ca 354-349 BCE
22-24 mm., 13.68g.
Laureate head of Zeus right / ΦIΛΛIΠOY, Philip II, diademed & in kausia, on horseback left, raising right hand
Ex N&N Collection

 

#2 Poseidon

Kings of Macedon. Pella. Demetrios I Poliorketes 306-283 BC.
Tetradrachm AR 30 mm, 17,12 g
Diademed and horned head of young Demetrios right / ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΔΗΜΗΤΡΙΟΥ, poseidon standing left resting foot on rock, monograms at either side.
Newell 90
Ex Savoca

 

#3 Hera

ELIS, Olympia. 111th Olympiad
336 BCE
AR Stater 22mm, 11.63 g, 6h
Hera mint. Head of Hera right, wearing ornamented stephanos inscribed [FAΛEI]Ω[N] / Eagle standing left, head right, wings spread, on rock; all within wreath.
Seltman, Temple 341–5 var. (dies FG/–); BCD Olympia 159 (same obv. die); HGC 5, 394.
Ex CNG

 

#4 Demeter

Argolis, Hermione
Circa 360-310 BCE
14.46mm 2.26g
Obverse: Head of Demeter Chthonia left
Reverse: Torch flanked by E-P, all within wreath
BCD Peloponnesos 1297
Ex BCD Collection (not in LHS sale)
Ex CNG
Ex Marc Breitsprecher

 

#5 Aphrodite

PAPHLAGONIA, Amastris. Circa 285-250 BCE
AR Stater 23mm, 8.88 g, 12h
Head of Mên right, wearing Phrygian cap decorated with laurel branch and star / Aphrodite seated left, holding in extended right hand Nike, who crowns her with wreath, and cradling lotus-tipped scepter in left arm; rose to left.
Callataÿ, Premier, Group 2, 43 (D17/R21 – this coin); RG 5; HGC 7, 356
Ex Sigmund Collection.
Ex CNG March 1999
Ex CNG September 2021

 

#6 Athena

ATTICA, Athens
AR Tetradrachm 22.5mm, 17.18g, 1h
Circa 454-404 BCE
Kroll 8; HGC 4, 1597
Ex CNG inventory June 2004
Ex CNG January 2021

 

#7 Artemis

Troas, Zeleia
Æ (9mm, 1.35g, 11h)
c. 4th century BCE
Head of Artemis r., wearing stephanos. R/ Monogram (or torque) within grain-wreath.
SNG Copenhagen 503-4
Ex London Ancient Coins

#8 Apollo

Mysia, Priapos
11.52mm, 1.11g 300-200 BCE
Obverse: Laureate head of Apollo right
Reverse: A / ΠPI, crab, harpa below
SNG von Aulock 7526
Ex Marc Breitsprecher

 

#9 Ares

Pamphylia, Sillyon
18.72mm, 4.57g 4th Century BCE
Obverse: Bearded and helmeted head of Ares right
Reverse: Male figure standing left with right hand raised, chlamys draped over left forearm; H and uncertain symbol in left field
SNG von Aulock 4866
Ex Marc Breitsprecher

#10 Hermes

Ionia, Phokaia
Circa 350-300 BCE
Æ 5.52g, 18mm, 12h
Head of Hermes to left, wearing winged petasos fastened under chin
Forepart of griffin to left; [ΦΩ]KAEΩ[N] below.
BMC -, cf. 99-100; SNG von Aulock -; SNG Copenhagen -, cf. 1041-2.
Ex Roma

 

#11 Dionysos

Kings of Bithynia. Prusias II
AE Unit 20.5mm 6.41g 12h
c. 180-150 BCE
Laffaille430 var. - Cop.- - Aulock6886 var. - RG.26 - BMC.- - HGCS. 7/629
0avers : Buste imberbe, juvénile et drapé de Dionysos (Bacchus) à droite, couronné de feuilles de vigne.
0revers : Le Centaure Chiron à droite, la tête de face, jouant de la lyre, sa tunique flottant derrière.
Ex CGB

#12 Hephaistos

nil, nada, zilch. Game over. I lose. 😞 

 

 

[ambr0zie]

@DonnaML-the answer is definitely Pashka as per my research. You can see even the name - nickname derived from aPollo.

Ryro comes from Ryan - Ryanus - Janus. 

[AETHER]

This is all I can add at the moment as I'd have to take pics and what not. May edit again to add more!

Sicily, Syracuse, Hieron II, 275 - 215 BC

AE Litra, 23mm, 5.73 grams

Obverse: Head of Poseidon left wearing tainia.

Reverse: Ornamented trident head flanked by two downwards dolphins.

SNG Copenhagen 850

 

Historic type issued during the First Punic War.

[kirispupis]

Interestingly, Hephaistos appears quite rare on Greek coinage. The earliest depictions appear to be on some Hellenistic era Sicilian bronzes. He next appears on a number of Roman republican coins.

During Roman times, a few Greek cities did mint coins with him, such as the Pamphylia shown above. The city of Hephaistia, named for Hephaistos, also minted coins with his image but interestingly not until Roman times. I recently purchased a Hephaistia bronze (haven't photographed it yet), but it depicts Athena along with an owl and I presume it was minted during Athenian control.

 

[Deinomenid]

Lipara issued a variety  of  his coins  Kirispupis. They come  up fairly often and (for the Sicilian area) are fairly inexpensive if you are looking to complete the set. He's often misdescribed as Aiolos.  There are a couple of  his more expensive versions for sale right now on the marketplace sites. With (in my view, and the insistent view of HGC etc)  that misattribution.

Mytistraton in Sicily too,  but those are  pretty rare.

 

[Spaniard]

Nice thread!

I've been collecting the 12 Olympians for a while now in Greek bronze...The list I chose ..

1..Zeus / Jupiter
2..Hera / Juno
3..Athena / Minerva
4..Apollo / Apollo
5..Poseidon / Neptune
6..Ares / Mars
7..Artemis / Diana
8..Demeter / Ceres
9..Aphrodite / Venus
10.Hermes / Mercury
11.Hephaistos / Vulcan
12.Dionysos / Bacchus
Note..The Greeks did not always agree on the 12 and some lists include Hestia, Hercules or Leto, with Dionysos often the one replaced.

I'm still three short but always on the lookout for a Hephaistos, Demeter and Ares.

Zeus

Phrygia, Eumeneia Circa 200-133 BC. AE 15mm (3.98 gm). Obv...Laureate head of Zeus right. Rev...EYME-NEΩN, legend in two lines within oak-wreath. SNG Copenhagen 377-378 Poseidon Sicily, Syracuse. Hieron II. 274-216 BC. Æ-Litra (19mm, 6.38g). Obverse..Diademed head of Poseidon left with border of dots. Reverse..ΙΕΡΩΝΟΣ, Ornate scroll decorated trident with lotiform shaft flanked by dolphins. Ref:for type SNG Cop 844-856. Hermes Ionia, Phokaia, c. 350-300 BC. Æ (15mm, 4.36g, 11h). Phokleon, magistrate. Obverse..Head of Hermes facing left wearing a Petasos hat tied at the back. Reverse..Forepart of a griffin springing left. ΦΩKAEΩN (PHOKAEON), name of the magistrate below. SNG Copenhagen 1039ff (magistrate); BMC 101.   Hera Ionia Samos AE13 Circa 350 BC, 13.07 mm/3.08 grams Obverse: Head of Hera left Reverse: Lion's scalp facing SNG Copenhagen 1694 Dionysos Pontos, Amisos. temp. Mithradates VI, c. 105-85 or 85-65 BC. Æ (16mm, 3.98g, 12h). Struck under Mithradates VI. Obverse..Ivy wreathed head of Dionysos right. Reverse..Filleted thyrsos, bell attached with fillet, AMI-ΣOY flanking across field, monogram lower right. Mint..Amisos (Samsun, Turkey) SNG Black Sea 1192-5; HGC 7, 251. Good VF   Athena Mysia, Pergamon . Circa 2nd Century BC. AE 18mm (5.31 gm). Obv.: Head of Athena right, wearing Corinthian Egret helmet. Rev.: ΑΘΗΝΑΣ ΝΙΚΗΦΟΡΟΥ (Athénas Nicéphore), trophy, consisting of crested helmet and cuirass with arms below; monogram to the right. SNG von Aulock 1374; SNG France 1884. VF. Artemis Aeolis, Kyme, c. 165-90 BC. Æ (16mm, 3.84g, 12h). Zoilos, magistrate. Obverse...Draped bust of Artemis right, hair in sphendone, quiver and bow over shoulder. Reverse...Single-handled oenoechoe (Kyme's cup) with KY above (Kyme), flanked either side by laurel branches. Magistrates name left to right across central field Z-Ω / I-Λ / O-Σ..Zoilos. SNG München 507-9; SNG Copenhagen 108; SNG von Aulock 1642. Apollo Thessalian League. Around 197-150 BC. AE Trichalcon (7.64 gm, 19mm). Hippolo(chos), magistrates. Obverse: laureate head of Apollo right. Reverse: ΘEΣΣA ΛΩN (THESSALON) in two lines, Athena Itonia striding right, hurling spear held in her right hand, shield on her left arm; ΙΠΠ-ΟΛΟ (IPOLLO magistrates name) over spear and A-PI across central field. BCD Thessaly II, 900.3; Rogers 21.SNG Copenhagen 315. Aphrodite LAODICEA AD LYCUM (Phrygia) 14mm/4.0gr. Ca 200-100 BC. Obverse: Draped bust of Aphrodite right, wearing stephane, hair in bun. Reverse: ΛAOΔIKEΩN. Aphrodite standing left, holding dove, rose with stalk to left. BMC Phrygia (p.284)27, SNG Copenhagen 497; SNG München 340; HGC 7, 744 SCARCE (R1 per HGC) Laodicea ad Lycum mint

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Spaniard

[AETHER]

@SpaniardI love the set, last picture is epic.

[Severus Alexander]

Super fun thread idea, @Ryro! Also gave me a great excuse to procrastinate on other things and put together a bunch of my favourite (and in some cases only) Olympian depictions. Also added Hades, since I feel sorry for him... he never gets invited to these parties. 😭

Tagging @Curtisimo because I know he won't want to miss this thread, and looking forward to what you put together, @DonnaML! 🙂 

[Qcumbor]

Super cool thread @Ryro. I had never considered putting together the dirty dozen...

Jupiter :

 

Poseidon :

 

Minerva :

 

Mars :

 

Apollo

 

Diana : 

 

Juno :

 

Ceres :

 

Venus (well, sort of 😄 )

 

Dionysos :

 

Mercury :

 

Vulcan : 

 

Vesta :

 

Serapis :

 

Q

Edited January 22, 2023 by Qcumbor

[Spaniard]

On 1/20/2023 at 10:22 PM, Deinomenid said:

Lipara issued a variety  of  his coins 

This is why my set has come to a bit of a stand still...Hephaistos is the next I'd like to add but, at least for me, the Lipara coins are super expensive but strangely seem to be reasonably common, any reason for this?

I have thought about making an exception just to keep him in bronze by using a Malaca type (see below). I actually quite like the whacky Spanish depictions but not sure if it aestetically sits well in the set?

Another option I've looked at are the Samniun types but these were obviously minted in Italy..The style does seem to sit better with the Greek portrayals of the other Olympians?

Any ideas much appreciated?

[Deinomenid]

The Lipara ones aren’t too bad pricewise. You can get them for 100 euros or so. I wouldn’t call that super-expensive for the area.

I did a quick coinarchive search and this sold a few weeks ago for less than that.

Not my coin. 

islands of Sicily, Lipara, c. 420-400 BC. Æ Tetras or Trionkion (19mm, 6.38g). Hephaistos seated r., holding hammer and kantharos. R/ Three pellets (mark of value). CNS I, 21; HGC 2, 1771. VF

[Spaniard]

@Deinomenid...Thanks....But I really want a portrait of Hephaistos such as this...

I think this type is expensive?..But I may be wrong?

[Phil Davis]

5 hours ago, Spaniard said:

...at least for me, the Lipara coins are super expensive but strangely seem to be reasonably common, any reason for this?

One reason Lipara seems relatively common is the prevalence of fakes. https://numismaticfakes.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/the-fake-coinage-of-lipara/

[John Conduitt]

The answer to the question is...no, I don't 😁 I don't collect Greek coins, and my Roman collection is rarely so exotic.

I managed to cobble together 9 of the 13, although you have to look quite hard. I've dragged it up to 12 by using their symbols and deputies. I also have Vulcan on a 1987 Italian Fifty Lira coin, which I think everyone who went to Italy before the Euro would know. Here are:

Apollo (I have many Celtic representations of him looking this handsome); Diana (Caracalla provincial); Juno (Julia Domna); Mars (Probus).
Minerva (standing in Nobilitas's palm); Neptune (with a TIAV countermark in his face); Venus (Faustina II); Vesta (the statue in the temple).
Jupiter (Licinius I); Liber Pater (for Bacchus); Winged Petasos (for Hermes); Annona (for Ceres).

[Spaniard]

@Phil Davis....Uuuuff!....Thanks Phil a 'very' helpful page...Quite scary really!!

Love your quote...😅

just can’t believe that an obvious cast fake like this was really auctioned! See obverse 10h-12h, that forger was really awkward while manipulating the wax, you can almost see the fingerprints!!

[Phil Davis]

15 minutes ago, Spaniard said:

@Phil Davis....Uuuuff!....Thanks Phil a 'very' helpful page...Quite scary really!!

Love your quote...😅

just can’t believe that an obvious cast fake like this was really auctioned! See obverse 10h-12h, that forger was really awkward while manipulating the wax, you can almost see the fingerprints!!

Just for the record, that fakes site isn't mine, so the quote isn't either. I'm not sure what happened to the Portuguese creator of the site; he was very active for a brief period some years ago, then faded away.

[Spaniard]

@Phil Davis....Thanks....Certainly looks like a bit of a minefield out there?

[Qcumbor]

53 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

I also have Vulcan on a 1987 Italian Fifty Lira coin, which I think everyone who went to Italy before the Euro would know. Here are:

Oh ! I forgot about that one. I must have at least 30 of them !

Q

[Severus Alexander]

6 hours ago, Spaniard said:

This is why my set has come to a bit of a stand still...Hephaistos is the next I'd like to add but, at least for me, the Lipara coins are super expensive but strangely seem to be reasonably common, any reason for this?

I have thought about making an exception just to keep him in bronze by using a Malaca type (see below). I actually quite like the whacky Spanish depictions but not sure if it aestetically sits well in the set?

Another option I've looked at are the Samniun types but these were obviously minted in Italy..The style does seem to sit better with the Greek portrayals of the other Olympians?

Any ideas much appreciated?

I appreciate your dilemma here, @Spaniard! You have a lovely set and the Hephaistos/Vulcan needs to be right. To my eye, a Samnite coin would work well; either that or a superior style Spanish example. (You are, after all, the Spaniard! 😁) Good luck!

[Spaniard]

11 minutes ago, Severus Alexander said:

appreciate your dilemma here, @Spaniard! You have a lovely set and the Hephaistos/Vulcan needs to be right. To my eye, a Samnite coin would work well; either that or a superior style Spanish example. (You are, after all, the Spaniard! 😁) Good luck!

Ha!....Thanks....I've tried a couple of times last year on Malaca coins but there seems to be richer Spaniards than me!....I do agree though that a Samnite coin might sit better.

[Deinomenid]

3 hours ago, Spaniard said:

@Deinomenid...Thanks....But I really want a portrait of Hephaistos such as this...

I think this type is expensive?..But I may be wrong?

I'd go with the type I showed,  not that.

No guarantee  anything isn't fake but the type I showed a photo of  is  safer.

[Deinomenid]

Also  based on accounts  of what Hephaistos looked like,  I'd steer  clear of close ups 😀