Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 29, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 29, 2023 As with Carus (and Numerian), I have only one: Carinus, AE Antoninianus, Feb/Mar 283 [promotion to Augustus] - Spring 285 [death of Carinus], Ticinum Mint [now Pavia, Italy] (3rd Officina). Obv. Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, IMP CARINVS P F AVG / Rev. Felicitas standing facing, head left, left elbow resting on column, holding caduceus with raised right hand, FELICIT PVBLICA; in exergue, TXXI [3rd Officina, 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 295, Sear RCV III 12343 (ill.), Cohen 24, Pink [Karl Pink 1949] p. 29, Series 4. 23.6 mm., 3.83 g. [For dating, see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus/ ] 9 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted March 29, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 29, 2023 Numerianus : The first portrait is my favorite. IMP NVMERIANVS P F AVG : radiate, draped and cuirassed bust to right PROVIDENT AVGG // VIXXI : Providentia standing left holding ears of corn and cornucopiae, modius at foot Antoninianus. Ticinum, AD 283-284, RIC Vb 447 IMP C M AVR NVMERIANVS PF AVG : radiate and cuirassed bust to right VIRTVS AVGG. * TR / XXI : emperor standing right, holding parazonium and receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter standing left, holding sceptre, * above, TR between, XXI in exergue Antoninianus. Tripoli, AD 283, RIC Vb 380 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jims,Coins Posted March 29, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) It's 4 pm Eastern standard time: Time to post Numerian on the schedule it has: Mar. 29 - Numerian 283-284 Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Cyzicus during the reign of NUMERIAN between 283 - 284 A.D. Obv. IMP.C.NVMERIANVS.P.F.AVG.: Radiate, draped bust r. Rev. CLEMENTIA.TEMP.: NUMERIAN receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter, in ex. XXI. in field, B. RCS #3428. RICV #463 pg.201. DVM #4 pg.264. F+/AVF, fairly rough but centered & nice with strongly highlighted patina. Edited March 29, 2023 by Jims,Coins 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted March 29, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 29, 2023 Numerian, Feb/March 283 - Oct/Nov 284 C.E. Roman Provincial Egypt Billon Tetradrachm, 8.26 grams, 20.7 mm, Alexandria mint Obverse: AK M A NOVMEPIANOC CEB Laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right Reverse: Athena seated left on high backed throne, wearing crested helmet, long scepter in left hand, Nike offering wreath in right hand. Reference: Köln 3192-3193; Dattari 5607, Emmett 4013; Sear 12272 Comment: I particularly enjoy the patina on this coin, as well as the finely crafted reverse. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 29, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 29, 2023 @Ancient Coin Hunter, you tricked me into posting Carinus two days early! Everyone please pretend I didn't post that, and look at this Numerian instead -- same mint, and a similar appearance for the reverse personification, suggesting the possibility that the engraver was the same for both. Numerian, AE Antoninianus, Feb/Mar 283 [promotion to Augustus] - Nov. 284 [death of Numerian], Ticinum Mint [now Pavia, Italy] (6th Officina). Obv. Radiate and cuirassed bust right, IMP NVMERIANVS P F AVG / Rev. Providentia* standing facing, head left, holding corn ears with right hand over modius at feet left, and holding in right arm, PROVIDENT AVGG; in exergue, VIXXI [6th Officina, 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 447, Sear RCV III 12253, Cohen 83, Pink [Karl Pink 1949] p. 29, Series 4. 22.6 mm., 4.15 g. Ex Pegasi Numismatics, Auction 41, Dec. 11, 2019, Lot 627. Formerly in NGC slab, Cert. No. 5768552-009, Graded AU, Strike: 5/5, Surface 4/5.) For dating, see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus/ 13 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted March 29, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, DonnaML said: @Ancient Coin Hunter, you tricked me into posting Carinus two days early! Everyone please pretend I didn't post that, and look at this Numerian instead -- same mint, and a similar appearance for the reverse personification, suggesting the possibility that the engraver was the same for both. Numerian, AE Antoninianus, Feb/Mar 283 [promotion to Augustus] - Nov. 284 [death of Numerian], Ticinum Mint [now Pavia, Italy] (6th Officina). Obv. Radiate and cuirassed bust right, IMP NVMERIANVS P F AVG / Rev. Providentia* standing facing, head left, holding corn ears with right hand over modius at feet left, and holding in right arm, PROVIDENT AVGG; in exergue, VIXXI [6th Officina, 20/1 copper/silver ratio of alloy]. RIC V-2 447, Sear RCV III 12253, Cohen 83, Pink [Karl Pink 1949] p. 29, Series 4. 22.6 mm., 4.15 g. Ex Pegasi Numismatics, Auction 41, Dec. 11, 2019, Lot 627. Formerly in NGC slab, Cert. No. 5768552-009, Graded AU, Strike: 5/5, Surface 4/5.) For dating, see http://augustuscoins.com/ed/Carus/ Please excuse my mistake Donna. I got the order reversed on Numerian and Carinus, so I have deleted the Carinus until 31 March. In my brain I was thinking older son, younger son next. Went back to my schedule which I had printed out and I see that's the case..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted March 29, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 29, 2023 My only Numerian Numerian AD 283-284. Rome Antoninianus Æ 22 mm, 3,47 g IMP NVMERIANVS AVG, bust of Numerian, radiate, cuirassed, right / VNDIQVE VICTORES, Numerian, draped, cuirassed, standing left, holding globe in right hand and sceptre in left hand; on either side, captive MintMark: -/-//KAΓ; OfficinaMark: ς RIC V Carus 423 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shea19 Posted March 30, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) My only Numerian: Numerian, Antoninianus, 283 A.D., (22 mm, 3.91 g), Rome mint, Δ = 4th officina, IMP C NVMERIANVS P F AVG Radiate and cuirassed bust of Numerian to right./ Rev. PIETAS AVGG / ΚΑΔ Mercury standing facing, head left, holding purse in right hand and caduceus in left. RIC 414. Edited March 30, 2023 by Shea19 12 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 30, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Ancient Coin Hunter said: Please excuse my mistake Donna. I got the order reversed on Numerian and Carinus, so I have deleted the Carinus until 31 March. In my brain I was thinking older son, younger son next. Went back to my schedule which I had printed out and I see that's the case..... No problem; I was just kidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougsmit Posted March 30, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) You folks confuse me greatly making a 'thing' about which of the two should come first. Numerian died first but which of the two gained the title of Augustus first or were they simultaneous? On what evidence do you base that answer? I'm sorry I missed Carinus, if I did. Numerian also has a few hard to answer questions when it comes to the 'rule' so important to some people that coins with AVGGG refer to a time with three Augusti. That makes a couple of my Numerian as Caesar 'interesting' since it has the AVGGG reverse and the NOBC obverse. Of course my favorite is the one with boardwalk margins but I considered them each to be 'different' enough to warrant buying. My confusion gets worse. I do not have an Alexandrian tetradrachm of Numerian but, if I were to restart buying, it might be high on my list. Emmett lists coins of both sons as Caesar for LA (year one). Carinus has coins as Augustus listed as LA as well but LB has both for Numerian with no known LA Augustus coins. Does this mean Carinus was made Augustus before the September cut off date used by the Alexandrian calendar OR doe it mean that he, but not his brother abandoned the Carus dating and restarted LA when he became Augustus? Both of them ended the series with Lgamma suggesting neither was seem as current at the start of the new year that would have been four. Perhaps the guys at the mint were as confused as I am. BTW, Emmett lists Carinus first and Numerian second. I don't know who started the idea that Numerian's coin should be listed first. but I don't see where the matter is all that important either. Sear listed Carinus first in his Greek Imperial book and Numerian first in his Roman Coins single volume. (I don't own his Millennium volume for them). Raz put Carinus first in ERIC (I). Sorry I missed Carinus if I did. I have seven of his, too, but that is a mere accident since I never believed in the concept of one coin per emperor. Trivia: Using Emmett ratings, both sons most rare tets were the ones showing the two shaking hands. Hmmmmm. Do you think there could have been something like an undercover Geta like thing here? Who has any evidence they liked each other? There are DIVO NVMERIANO coins but I do not have one. Edited March 30, 2023 by dougsmit 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 30, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, dougsmit said: You folks confuse me greatly making a 'thing' about which of the two should come first. Numerian died first but which of the two gained the title of Augustus first or were they simultaneous? On what evidence do you base that answer? I'm sorry I missed Carinus, if I did. Numerian also has a few hard to answer questions when it comes to the 'rule' so important to some people that coins with AVGGG refer to a time with three Augusti. That makes a couple of my Numerian as Caesar 'interesting' since it has the AVGGG reverse and the NOBC obverse. Of course my favorite is the one with boardwalk margins but I considered them each to be 'different' enough to warrant buying. My confusion gets worse. I do not have an Alexandrian tetradrachm of Numerian but, if I were to restart buying, it might be high on my list. Emmett lists coins of both sons as Caesar for LA (year one). Carinus has coins as Augustus listed as LA as well but LB has both for Numerian with no known LA Augustus coins. Does this mean Carinus was made Augustus before the September cut off date used by the Alexandrian calendar OR doe it mean that he, but not his brother abandoned the Carus dating and restarted LA when he became Augustus? Both of them ended the series with Lgamma suggesting neither was seem as current at the start of the new year that would have been four. Perhaps the guys at the mint were as confused as I am. BTW, Emmett lists Carinus first and Numerian second. I don't know who started the idea that Numerian's coin should be listed first. but I don't see where the matter is all that important either. Sear listed Carinus first in his Greek Imperial book and Numerian first in his Roman Coins single volume. (I don't own his Millennium volume for them). Raz put Carinus first in ERIC (I). Sorry I missed Carinus if I did. I have seven of his, too, but that is a mere accident since I never believed in the concept of one coin per emperor. Trivia: Using Emmett ratings, both sons most rare tets were the ones showing the two shaking hands. Hmmmmm. Do you think there could have been something like an undercover Geta like thing here? Who has any evidence they liked each other? There are DIVO NVMERIANO coins but I do not have one. Don't worry, you haven't missed Carinus! And I don't think anyone is seriously making a "thing" about the order; we all understand that the schedule is necessarily somewhat arbitrary in places. FYI, Sear's Millennium volumes also put Numerian before Carinus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wittwolff Posted March 30, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 If we can believe the sources Numerian was more of a poet than an emperor. His portraits also deliver us a man looking much less militaristic than most third century Emperors aswell. 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted March 30, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 30, 2023 Numerian as Caesar Numerianus, Antoninianus - Ticinium mint, 5th officina, 2nd emission, Dec 282 CE M AVR NVMERIANVS NOB C, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Numerianus, seen from behind PRINCIPI IVVENTUT, Prince of youth standing left, holding baton and sceptre. VXXI at exergue 3,35 gr, 23 mm Ref : RCV #12219, Cohen #76, RIC vol V #366 Q 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Collector Posted March 30, 2023 · Patron Share Posted March 30, 2023 We're on Numerian now? Here's my most photogenic coin of the man -- thanks to some "maybe it's Maybelline."Numerian, Augustus AD 283-284. Roman billon Antoninianus, 4.09 g, 20 mm. Cyzicus, Feb/Mar 283-Nov 284. Obv: IMP C NVMERIANVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. Rev: CLEMENTIA TEMP, Numerian standing right, holding short scepter and receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter standing left, holding scepter; officina mark B in field; in exergue, XXI. Refs: RIC 463; Cohen 8; RCV 12243. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Germanicus Posted March 30, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) This Medallion (a unique variety of a very rare type, struck from a single obverse die) was likely handed to a Senator or other high ranking official by Emperor Carinus in person in August 283 A.D. during his stay at Rome for the ceremony of Numerian´s inauguration as Co-Augustus (in absence). IMP C AVR NVMERIANVS AVG - Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Numerian right, viewed from behind MONETA AVGG – the three Monetae standing facing side by side, their heads turned to left, each holding scales in right hand and cornucopiae in left hand and with pile of metal at her feet (the cornucopiae held by the central figure curved to the right) AE-Medallion, Rome mint, 1.-10. August 283 (3rd emission, according to Pink) 32,55 mm / 20,87 gr / 12h Cohen (Medailles Imperiales VI, 2nd ed. 1880) Numerian, Nr. 32 (this coin, citing Claude Rollin); Rollin & Feuardent, Catalogue d´une Collection de Médailles Romaines (Vol.3, 1880) Nr. 7205 (this coin); Gnecchi, I Medaglioni Romani (Vol 2, 1912) Numerian Nr. 9 (this coin, citing Hirsch "Consul Weber" Auction); Wildwinds Numerian No.1 (this coin); Pink, Die Medaillonprägung unter Carus und seinen Söhnen (1958) Nr.18 (this coin discussed, citing Naville Bement Auction); this coin will also be cited in the next edition of RIC. From the collections of Claude Camille Rollin (1813-1883), Eduard Friedrich Weber (1830-1907), Clarence S. Bement (1843-1923), and Paul Tinchant (1893-1981); Auctions Jacob Hirsch 10.05.1909 (Consul Weber) Nr.2424 (this coin illustrated); Naville VIII 25.06.1924 (C.S. Bement) Nr. 1428; Schulman 243, 08.10.1966 (Richard J. Graham) Nr. 2507; Gadoury 02.10.2018, Nr. 226 From my writeup at Cointalk: "Numerianus was hailed Caesar at Ticinum in early December 282. He then joined his father on a highly successful campaign against the Sarmathians and Quadi in Pannonia before heading to the eastern capital of Antiochia, where Numerianus was hailed Imperator in mid February, 283. Carinus was left behind to guard the western provinces and would never see his brother again. In early April Numerianus joined Carus´ great Persian campaign to take revenge for the capture of Emperor Valerian in 260. Carus probably invaded Mesopotamia using the road via Beroea and Resaina to Nisibis and from there parallel to the Tigris river passing Carrhae and then took Coche (formerly Seleucia) and finally the Sasanidian capital Ctesiphon in June. In early July however, Carus suddenly died, either struck by lightning, a stroke, or the victim of a plague that Numerian may also have contracted. The news of Carus´ death must have reached Rome by express courier service from Mesopotamia in about 14 days, it must have taken another three to four days to reach Carinus at Milan, where he was celebrating his wedding with Magnia Urbica. After completing the wedding celebration and honoring Numerian as new Augustus and Co-Emperor, Carinus left Milan in early August and travelled to Rome in company of his wife and the imperial guard. He must have reached the capital by mid or late August of 283, which marked the first visit to the capital by a member of the imperial family. Meanwhile the roman mint prepared an emission (it´s 3rd during the rule of Carus and his sons) of Aurei and Antoniniani to celebrate the victories in Germany and Persia, while the elevation of Numerianus was celebrated with an issue of AE Medallions bearing his laureate portrait on the obverse combined with the three Monetae, the traditional reverse type for large Medallions at the time. These would be the first Medallions created in the name of Numerianus (none were minted for him as Caesar) and the only ones struck for him at the Rome mint." Edited March 31, 2023 by Julius Germanicus 6 1 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted March 31, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 31, 2023 My best Numerian portrait is one of the Luxuriant Locks Ticinum coins. I see there are a number of fans of this style among earlier posters! 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc9 Posted March 31, 2023 · Member Share Posted March 31, 2023 Some Carinus and a Magnia Urbica coin, IMP M AVR CARINVS NOB C : Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus to right, seen from behind VIRTVS AVGG / B / XXI : Carinus standing to right, holding short scepter in his left hand, receiving Victory on globe from Jupiter standing to left, holding long scepter in his left hand Antoninianus, Siscia, RIC Vb 207 IMP CARINVS P F AVG : Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus to right. FIDES MILITVM // KAЄ : Fides standing left, holding two signa Antoninianus, Lugdunum, A.D. 284, RIC Vb 253 M AVR CARINVS CAES : radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right PIETAS AVGG //ZKA : Sprinkler, simpulum, jug, patera, knife, and lituus Antoninianus,Rome, AD. 282-283, RIC Vb 155 MAGN VRBICA AVG : draped bust right, wearing stephane, set on crescent IVNO REGINA // KAΓ: Juno standing left holding patera and sceptre; KAΓ in exergue. Antoninianus, Lugdunum, AD 283-285, RIC 341 12 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted March 31, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 31, 2023 Time for Carinus, so I'll just cross-reference my (premature) post above with my one coin of his: https://www.numisforums.com/topic/2120-emperors-of-rome-a-chronological-portrait-gallery/page/47/#comment-46782 Unfortunately, I have nothing for his wife Magnia Urbica. Nice specimens of her coins seem to be quite expensive. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qcumbor Posted March 31, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 31, 2023 My only Carinus Carinus, Antoninianus - Rome mint, 2nd officina, 5th emission, Nov 284 CE IMP CARINVS PF AVG, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus right IOVI VI - CTORI, Jupiter standing left, holding victory and sceptre. Eagle at feet. KAB at exergue 4,25 gr, 22 mm Ref : RCV #12348, Cohen #45, RIC vol V #257 Q 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted March 31, 2023 · Supporter Share Posted March 31, 2023 Same here, my only Carinus 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor Ancient Coin Hunter Posted March 31, 2023 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted March 31, 2023 Carinus from Egypt. Carinus (283-284 C.E.) Potin Tetradrachm of Alexandria, 19mm 7.19 grams Year 2 = 284 C.E. Obverse: A K M A KAΡINOC CEB, laureate, cuirassed bust right Reverse: L-B, Elpis standing left holding flower and hem of skirt. Reference: Milne 4701-3, BMC 2454, Koln 3177 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jims,Coins Posted April 1, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 1, 2023 Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Rome during the reign of CARINUS between 283 - 285 A.D. Obv. IMP.CARINVS.P.F.AVG.: Radiate, draped bust r. Rev. AETERNIT.AVGG.: Aeternitas standing left, holding Phoenix on globe, & lifting robe, in ex. KAr. RCS #3463. RICV #248 pg.170. DVM #5 pg.265. Bronze coin (AE Antoninianus) minted at Rome during the reign of CARINUS between 283 - 285 A.D. Obv. IMP.CARINVS.P.F.AVG.: Radiate, draped & cuir. bust r. Rev. GENIVS.EXERCITI.: Genius standing left, holding patera & cornucopia, in ex. KAA. RCS #3467. RICVpii #256 pg.171. DVM #10 pg.265. Surface is a little rough but legends are very bold. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerosmyfavorite68 Posted April 1, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 1, 2023 Silvered antoninianus, RIC V 212, SRCV III 12339, C 8, VF, Lugdunum (Lyon) mint, weight 2.587g, maximum diameter 22.3mm, die axis 180o, 283 A.D.; obverse IMP C M AVR CARINVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right; reverse AEQVITAS AVGG, Aequitas standing left, scales in right, cornucopia in l eft, A (1st officina) right; 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wittwolff Posted April 1, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 1, 2023 My only Carinus: 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambr0zie Posted April 1, 2023 · Member Share Posted April 1, 2023 Carinus, as Caesar Carinus, as Caesar AD 282-283. Rome Antoninianus Æ 20 mm, 3,61 g M AVR CARINVS NOB CAES, bust of Carinus, radiate, draped, cuirassed, right / PIETAS AVGG, pontifical implements, variously arranged MintMark: -/-//KAZ RIC V Carus 155 As Augustus, from Alexandria Egypt, Alexandria. Carinus, 283-285. Potin Tetradrachm. 18,2 mm 6,93 g. RY 2 = 283/4. Α Κ Μ Α ΚΑΡΙΝΟC CЄΒ Laureate and cuirassed bust of Carinus to right. Rev. L - B Elpis standing left, holding flower in her right hand and raising skirt with her left; to upper right, star. Dattari (Savio) 5585. Emmett 4007.2. K&G 115.10. Sear 4779 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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