panzerman Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 18, 2022 This topic could last forever, since the immensity of the coinage involved. Not even Elon Musk could afford a complete coll. I will start the show with my latest addition/ ex/ MA-shops.. This coin has 4 brothers on obv./ other 4 on rev. Seems no one survived the end of the "Thirty Years War" 1618-48 AV Goldgulden 1614-WA Saalfeld Mint Saxe-Alte-Weimar/ Herzogtum Johann Ernst IV 1605-26 Friedrich VII 1605-22 Wilhelm IV 1605-40 Johann Friedrich VI 1605- 28 Ernst III "der Fromme" 1605-40 Bernhard I 1605-39 Friedrich Wilhelm I 1605-19 Albrecht V 1605-40 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwerpen2306 Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 18, 2022 very nice coin, I am waiting to see more and I am sure Elon Musk will be jealous of your collection. I have only 1 German coin from Wilhelm II, a 10 mark coin, I think I ve posted yet. I have never bought gold coins, all I have is from the family or as present. Most of the coins are 'new', from about 1900 to the sixties. So, as I said I am waiting now to see beautiful coins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanxi Posted December 18, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2022 When Freiburg belonged to Further Austria Freiburg im Breisgau 10 Kreuzer 1735 Obv.: GLORIA IN EXCELSIS DEO, X KREVZER 1735 Rev.: FRIBVRGENS BRIS MONETA NO, coat of arms of Freiburg and Austria AR, 2.72g, 22.6mm Ref.: Münzen und Medaillen Nr. 67, 25 Jahre Freiburger Münzsammelverein Abb 80/81, Berstett 285, Rommel 85 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eidolon Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 18, 2022 This is one of my favorite German States coins: Osnabrück 1625 9 Pfennig Somewhat related: City of Wiedenbrück, 1692 3 Pfennig, wheel countermark I really like German States minors, even if they are in worn condition. When I'm lucky I can get them for cheap, so I have dozens. Nothing like finding a billon coin in a junk bin!! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwerpen2306 Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 18, 2022 Trier, 3 Petermerger = 3 albus Chur. Trieris. Landmuntz +, 24 mm, 2.3 gr, 6h ref: KM176, mint Trier 16 92 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted December 18, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, shanxi said: When Freiburg belonged to Further Austria I've always found it very odd to think that large sections of Baden belonged to Austria and the Habsburgs through most of the 18th century, just as it's odd to think that Hechingen (located in today's Baden-Württemberg) was actually the ancestral home of Prussia's Hohenzollern dynasty, and that area belonged to them for centuries. My 2nd great-grandparents, from Baden-Durlach, lived in Freiburg towards the end of their lives and are buried in the Jewish cemetery there, although -- rather notoriously -- no Jews were allowed to live in Freiburg for more than 400 years until their final "Emancipation" in the 1860s. And yet, just 8 miles or so away, a different branch of my family lived in Emmendingen (in Hochberg) from the very early 18th century; others lived in Stühlingen in the Principality of Fürstenberg from as early as 1600. See this map from Wikipedia, which gives a general idea: And another one with much more detail: It's incredibly confusing and difficult to remember -- even though I've researched the region for decades -- although other parts of Germany were even more complicated! Oddly enough, I don't have a single coin from Baden, although I keep meaning to buy some inexpensive ones. In any event, I've recently posted my small number of gold coins and Reichsthalers from Prussia, as well as my "City View" thalers from Regensburg and Nuremberg, so instead here are my two thalers from Saxe-Altenburg and Saxony, which I haven't posted so recently, depicting some of the same dukes depicted on @panzerman's beautiful goldgulden: Saxe-Altenburg, AR Broad Thaler 1624, Four Dukes (the sons of Friedrich Wilhelm I). Obv. Johann Philipp /Rev. his three brothers, Friedrich, Johann Wilhelm, & Friedrich Wilhelm II. Davenport 7371. Saxony (Albertine Line), AR Broad Thaler 1626, Johann Georg I, Elector of Saxony. Davenport 7601. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarf Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 18, 2022 Usually I don't like 19th century German coins. They are dull mostly - just showing a portrait and arms. For whatever kind of reason I am fond of this portrait on a double taler of the Reuss-family. The coin shows Heinrich LXXII (All male members were named "Heinrich", the counting started anew each century) By the way - Heinrich XIII of the 20th century was just arrested in Germany as he planned a coup d'état to become the next Kaiser. No joke! Regards Klaus 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted December 18, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted December 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dwarf said: The coin shows Heinrich LXXII Is that a record for the highest Roman numeral ever applied to a name on the obverse of a coin? It's hard to imagine that there were ever more than 72 of any other name! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanxi Posted December 18, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, DonnaML said: I've always found it very odd to think that large sections of Baden belonged to Austria And before this for some time to France, and after the Austrian period again to France and then for some years to Modena (Italy), then Austrian again, until Napoleon gave Freiburg to Baden in 1805. Interesting fact: Today the coat of Arms of Freiburg still shows the red/white colors of Austria. Here one of the last Austrian coins showing the coat of arms of Freiburg: FRANZ II Anterior Austria VI Kreutzer 1804 Obv.: VORD OEST SCHEID MÜNZ, VI KREÜTZER; branches, H Rev.: Coat of Arms of Freiburg im Breisgau, Bregenz and Burgau Ref.: Jl. 37, Her. 906 Edited December 18, 2022 by shanxi 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 Thanks for posting all your nice coins and fantastic historical writeups! Here are some from my hometown Jülich/ once the Herzogtum of Jülich-Kleve-Berg. AV Goldgulden ND Jülich Mint Reinald IV Herzog zu Guelders/ Jülich-Kleve 1402-23 AV Quarter Dukat 1708 Düsseldorf Mint Johann Wilhelm I 1679-1716 AV Dukat 1711/ Vicariats Issue (Commerates the Dukes role as an "Elector" in selecting the new HRE/ following death of Joseph I in 1711 of smallpox. Karl VI was elected as the new HRE that year. Portrait of Johann Wilhelm I in full regalia. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewomack Posted December 18, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2022 I have not delved much into German state coinage, so the closest I come are the following 2 examples (the second one I consider the most "amusing" coin in my pile). Austria, Leopold I, Emperor (1657 - 1705), 3 Kreuzer, 1697, Graz Mint, minmaster IA, LEOPOLDUS:D:G:ROM:IMP:SE:A:G:H:B:REX, laureate, draped, and armored bust right, wearing Order of the Golden Fleece; rev: ARCHID:AVS:D:BVRG::STYRIÆ, three coat of arms, (KM 450) Mittelalter Deutschland. Pfennig (1441). Leichte Prägeschwäche. Sehr schön-vorzüglich. Augsburg-Bistum u. Stadt (gemeinschaftlich). This strange coin came with the text included just above. Unfortunately, I know very little German, so I rely on online translation sites. One of them spewed out the following: "Middle Ages Germany. penny (1441). Slight embossing weakness. Very fine - extremely fine. Augsburg diocese and city (joint)." I have seen similar coins for sale on MAShops and I admittedly really like their extreme minimalism. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eidolon Posted December 18, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 18, 2022 Does Salzburg count as German Sates? Austria seems OK to include... I also really like Bohemia coinage, which was still part of the Holy Roman Empire. Anyway, Salzburg, 1/4 Thaler, 1642, klippe (ex-mounted) Bohemia 1645 3 Kreuzer Ferdinand III Prague Mint And some Bohemian playing cards brought by my great-grandfather's great-grandmother when emigrating to the US around 1875: 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted December 18, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2022 They are not in my collecting sphere. But, this Saxony thaler has been handed down through the female lineage of my Wife's family since her Great, Great Grandmother. Single year of issue as Friedrich Christian died of smallpox only 7 months after becoming elector. This coin was struck at Dresden and my Wife's ancestral relatives were from nearby. Type Standard circulation coin Year 1763 Value 4⁄3 Saxon thaler = 1 Conventionsthaler = ⅒ Cologne Mark Currency Thaler (1493-1805) Composition Silver (.833) Weight 28.8 g Diameter 43 mm Shape Round Orientation Medal alignment ↑↑ Demonetized Yes Number N# 32813 References KM# 962, Dav GT II# 2677, Schnee# 1052, Buck# 14 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Here is one of my favs.... AV Dukat 1745 Bremen/ Imperial City Struck under HRE Franz ! von Lothringen 1745-65 (Husband of Empress Maria Theresia) AV Dukat 1742/ Issued for his Election win as Holy Roman Emperor/ after Karl VI died in 1742 Frankfurt/ Imperial City HRE Karl VII 1742-45 I ended up getting this coin from Sincona as an unsold lot/ glad I did. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benefactor DonnaML Posted December 19, 2022 · Benefactor Benefactor Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 hours ago, shanxi said: Interesting fact: Today the coat of Arms of Freiburg still shows the red/white colors of Austria. That kind of carryover doesn't surprise me in the least. The major part of Vorderösterreich was the Breisgau, which included Freiburg and belonged to the Habsburgs for 400 years or so before it all became part of the Grand Duchy of Baden in 1806. But as late as the 1920s and 1930s, postcards to the village of Sulzburg (22 km south of Freiburg), where my grandmother was born and her family had lived since 1724, were addressed to "Sulzburg in Baden bei Freiburg im Breisgau." As if they were still in different countries. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted December 19, 2022 · Patron Share Posted December 19, 2022 Panzerman, as you know, I have a few German States coins. Will start off with some favorites. Bavaria 1810 Brandenburg 1539 Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1551 Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1588 Brunswick-Luneburg 1664 4 Thaler Eichstatt 1757 I'll post more later. 7 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 hours ago, DonnaML said: That kind of carryover doesn't surprise me in the least. The major part of Vorderösterreich was the Breisgau, which included Freiburg and belonged to the Habsburgs for 400 years or so before it all became part of the Grand Duchy of Baden in 1806. But as late as the 1920s and 1930s, postcards to the village of Sulzburg (22 km south of Freiburg), where my grandmother was born and her family had lived since 1724, were addressed to "Sulzburg in Baden bei Freiburg im Breisgau." As if they were still in different countries. Absolutely correct. At one time most of today's Germany was under the Emperor in Vienna/ including coin from Ratisbon (Regensburg) AV Dukat ND (1792) HRE Franz II 1792-1806 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Odd denomination/ Frankfurt/ Imperial City AV 3/4 Dukat 1745 Celebrating HRE Franz I von Lothringen election as new HRE 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Braunschweig-Blankenburg/ Fürstentum AV Quarter Dukat 1720-HCH Braunschweig Mint Ludwig Rudolf 1714-31 This Principality existed for only 1714-31/ it was then absorbed into Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel/ Herzogtum. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kali Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Share Posted December 19, 2022 Common Bavaria Thaler 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Baden/ Grosherzogtum AV Dukat 1839 Durlach Mint Leopold I 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 19, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 I have a few AR Thalers too....Bayern/ Kürfurstentum AR Konventions Thaler 1792 München Mint Karl Theodor 1777-99 Kürfurst \Bayern He was also on Jülich-Kleve-Berg / Pfalz coins 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted December 20, 2022 · Patron Share Posted December 20, 2022 Augsburg 1643 Thaler Augsburg 1694 Thaler Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1585 Thaler Erfurt 1603 Thaler 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 20, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 Chris/ all four are super nice/ esp. the Augsburg..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerman Posted December 20, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 Hannover/ Herzogtum AV 2 1/2 Thaler 1814-CHH Hannover Mint George III of Hannover/ Braunschweig-Lununburg/ Great Britain 1760-1820 The UK Royal Family became German (Hannoverian) in 1714/ still remains with "SAxe-Coburg-Gotha" added. The Hannoverian Horse on reverse is world famous in winning Olympic Equestrian events. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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