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This topic could last forever, since the immensity of the coinage involved. Not even Elon Musk could afford a complete coll.

I will start the show with my latest addition/ ex/ MA-shops.. This coin has 4 brothers on obv./ other 4 on rev. Seems no one survived the end of the "Thirty Years War" 1618-48

AV Goldgulden 1614-WA

Saalfeld Mint

Saxe-Alte-Weimar/ Herzogtum

Johann Ernst IV 1605-26

Friedrich VII 1605-22

Wilhelm IV 1605-40

Johann Friedrich VI 1605- 28

Ernst III "der Fromme" 1605-40

Bernhard I 1605-39

Friedrich Wilhelm I 1605-19

Albrecht V 1605-40

 

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very nice coin, I am waiting to see more and I am sure Elon Musk will be jealous of your collection. I have only 1 German coin from Wilhelm II, a 10 mark coin, I think I ve posted yet. I have never bought gold coins, all I have is from the family or as present. Most of the coins are 'new', from about 1900 to the sixties. So, as I said I am waiting now to see beautiful coins.

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When Freiburg belonged to Further Austria

 

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Freiburg im Breisgau
10 Kreuzer
1735
Obv.: GLORIA IN EXCELSIS DEO, X KREVZER 1735
Rev.: FRIBVRGENS BRIS MONETA NO, coat of arms of Freiburg and Austria
AR, 2.72g, 22.6mm
Ref.: Münzen und Medaillen Nr. 67, 25 Jahre Freiburger Münzsammelverein Abb 80/81, Berstett 285, Rommel 85

 

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This is one of my favorite German States coins:  Osnabrück 1625 9 Pfennig134083538_Osnabrck16259Pfennigen.jpg.4bfe7fc4608366f30deba1f5dbb02ff7.jpg

Somewhat related:  City of Wiedenbrück, 1692 3 Pfennig, wheel countermark521616726_CityofWiedenbrck16923Pfennigwheelcountermark.jpg.42eb2ad7ceac7b62faa55e58bbbfa13f.jpg

I really like German States minors, even if they are in worn condition.  When I'm lucky I can get them for cheap, so I have dozens.  Nothing like finding a billon coin in a junk bin!!

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1 hour ago, shanxi said:

When Freiburg belonged to Further Austria

I've always found it very odd to think that large sections of Baden belonged to Austria and the Habsburgs through most of the 18th century, just as it's odd to think that Hechingen (located in today's Baden-Württemberg) was actually the ancestral home of Prussia's Hohenzollern dynasty, and that area belonged to them for centuries. My 2nd great-grandparents, from Baden-Durlach, lived in Freiburg towards the end of their lives and are buried in the Jewish cemetery there, although -- rather notoriously -- no Jews were allowed to live in Freiburg for more than 400 years until their final "Emancipation" in the 1860s. And yet, just 8 miles or so away, a different branch of my family lived in Emmendingen (in Hochberg) from the very early 18th century; others lived in Stühlingen in the Principality of Fürstenberg from as early as 1600. See this map from Wikipedia, which gives a general idea:

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And another one with much more detail:

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It's incredibly confusing and difficult to remember -- even though I've researched the region for decades -- although other parts of Germany were even more complicated! Oddly enough, I don't have a single coin from Baden, although I keep meaning to buy some inexpensive ones.

In any event, I've recently posted my small number of gold coins and Reichsthalers from Prussia, as well as my "City View" thalers from Regensburg and Nuremberg, so instead here are my two thalers from Saxe-Altenburg and Saxony, which I haven't posted so recently, depicting some of the same dukes depicted on @panzerman's beautiful goldgulden:

Saxe-Altenburg, AR Broad Thaler 1624, Four Dukes (the sons of Friedrich Wilhelm I). Obv. Johann Philipp /Rev. his three brothers, Friedrich, Johann Wilhelm, & Friedrich Wilhelm II. Davenport 7371.

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Saxony (Albertine Line), AR Broad Thaler 1626, Johann Georg I, Elector of Saxony. Davenport 7601.

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Usually I don't like 19th century German coins. They are dull mostly - just showing a portrait and arms.
For whatever kind of reason I am fond of this portrait on a double taler of the Reuss-family.
The coin shows Heinrich LXXII (All male members were named "Heinrich", the counting started anew each century)
By the way - Heinrich XIII of the 20th century was just arrested in Germany as he planned a coup d'état to become the next Kaiser. No joke!

Regards
Klaus

 

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2 hours ago, DonnaML said:

I've always found it very odd to think that large sections of Baden belonged to Austria

And before this for some time to France, and after the Austrian  period  again to France and then for some years to Modena (Italy), then Austrian again, until Napoleon gave Freiburg to Baden in 1805.  

Interesting fact: Today the coat of Arms of Freiburg still shows the red/white colors of Austria.

 

Here one of the last Austrian coins showing the coat of arms of Freiburg:

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FRANZ II
Anterior Austria
VI Kreutzer
1804
Obv.: VORD OEST SCHEID MÜNZ, VI KREÜTZER; branches, H
Rev.: Coat of Arms of Freiburg im Breisgau, Bregenz and Burgau
Ref.: Jl. 37, Her. 906

 

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Thanks for posting all your nice coins and fantastic historical writeups!

Here are some from my hometown Jülich/ once the Herzogtum of Jülich-Kleve-Berg.

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Jülich Mint

Reinald IV Herzog zu Guelders/ Jülich-Kleve 1402-23

AV Quarter Dukat 1708

Düsseldorf Mint

Johann Wilhelm I 1679-1716

AV Dukat 1711/ Vicariats Issue (Commerates the Dukes role as an "Elector" in selecting the new HRE/ following death of Joseph I in 1711 of smallpox. Karl VI was elected as the new HRE that year.

Portrait of Johann Wilhelm I in full regalia.

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I have not delved much into German state coinage, so the closest I come are the following 2 examples (the second one I consider the most "amusing" coin in my pile).

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Austria, Leopold I, Emperor (1657 - 1705), 3 Kreuzer, 1697, Graz Mint, minmaster IA, LEOPOLDUS:D:G:ROM:IMP:SE:A:G:H:B:REX, laureate, draped, and armored bust right, wearing Order of the Golden Fleece; rev: ARCHID:AVS:D:BVRG::STYRIÆ, three coat of arms, (KM 450)

 

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Mittelalter Deutschland. Pfennig (1441). Leichte Prägeschwäche. Sehr schön-vorzüglich. Augsburg-Bistum u. Stadt (gemeinschaftlich).

This strange coin came with the text included just above. Unfortunately, I know very little German, so I rely on online translation sites. One of them spewed out the following: "Middle Ages Germany. penny (1441). Slight embossing weakness. Very fine - extremely fine. Augsburg diocese and city (joint)." I have seen similar coins for sale on MAShops and I admittedly really like their extreme minimalism.

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Does Salzburg count as German Sates?  Austria seems OK to include...  I also really like Bohemia coinage, which was still part of the Holy Roman Empire.

Anyway, Salzburg, 1/4 Thaler, 1642, klippe (ex-mounted)40246853_Salzburg14Thaler1642klippe.jpeg.a8a8c90dfc1c6dac8c78ac6768053c40.jpeg

Bohemia 1645 3 Kreuzer Ferdinand III Prague Mint

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And some Bohemian playing cards brought by my great-grandfather's great-grandmother when emigrating to the US around 1875:1617870822_BohemianCards.jpg.6a402c868260dbef373f4c14db2ccdee.jpg

 

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They are not in my collecting sphere. But, this Saxony thaler has been handed down through the female lineage of my Wife's family since her Great, Great Grandmother. Single year of issue as Friedrich Christian died of smallpox only 7 months after becoming elector. This coin was struck at Dresden and my Wife's ancestral relatives were from nearby.

Type     Standard circulation coin
Year     1763
Value     4⁄3 Saxon thaler = 1 Conventionsthaler = ⅒ Cologne Mark
Currency     Thaler (1493-1805)
Composition     Silver (.833)
Weight     28.8 g
Diameter     43 mm
Shape     Round
Orientation     Medal alignment ↑↑
Demonetized     Yes
Number     N# 32813
References     KM# 962, Dav GT II# 2677, Schnee# 1052, Buck# 14

 

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Here is one of my favs....

AV Dukat 1745

Bremen/ Imperial City

Struck under HRE Franz ! von Lothringen 1745-65 (Husband of Empress Maria Theresia)

AV Dukat 1742/ Issued for his Election win as Holy Roman Emperor/ after Karl VI died in 1742

Frankfurt/ Imperial City

HRE Karl VII 1742-45

I ended up getting this coin from Sincona as an unsold lot/ glad I did.

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7 hours ago, shanxi said:

Interesting fact: Today the coat of Arms of Freiburg still shows the red/white colors of Austria.

That kind of carryover doesn't surprise me in the least. The major part of Vorderösterreich was the Breisgau, which included Freiburg and belonged to the Habsburgs for 400 years or so before it all became part of the Grand Duchy of Baden in 1806. But as late as the 1920s and 1930s, postcards to the village of Sulzburg (22 km south of Freiburg), where my grandmother was born and her family had lived since 1724, were addressed to "Sulzburg in Baden bei Freiburg im Breisgau."  As if they were still in different countries. 

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Panzerman, as you know, I have a few German States coins. Will start off with some favorites. 

Bavaria 1810

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Brandenburg 1539

 

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Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1551

 

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Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel 1588

 

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Brunswick-Luneburg 1664 4 Thaler

 

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Eichstatt 1757

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I'll post more later. 

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8 hours ago, DonnaML said:

That kind of carryover doesn't surprise me in the least. The major part of Vorderösterreich was the Breisgau, which included Freiburg and belonged to the Habsburgs for 400 years or so before it all became part of the Grand Duchy of Baden in 1806. But as late as the 1920s and 1930s, postcards to the village of Sulzburg (22 km south of Freiburg), where my grandmother was born and her family had lived since 1724, were addressed to "Sulzburg in Baden bei Freiburg im Breisgau."  As if they were still in different countries. 

Absolutely correct. At one time most of today's Germany was under the Emperor in Vienna/ including coin from Ratisbon (Regensburg)

AV Dukat ND (1792)

HRE Franz II 1792-1806

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Hannover/ Herzogtum

AV 2 1/2 Thaler 1814-CHH

Hannover Mint

George III of Hannover/ Braunschweig-Lununburg/ Great Britain 1760-1820

The  UK Royal Family became German (Hannoverian) in 1714/ still remains with "SAxe-Coburg-Gotha" added. The Hannoverian Horse on reverse is world famous in winning Olympic Equestrian events.

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