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Rome VRBS ROMA commem 330-331 CE Æ reduced centenionalis, 16mm, 2.5g, 12h; Trier mint, CE 330-331 She-wolf RIC VII 529 Left


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RI commem AE Follis Urbs ROMA She-wolf Rom Rem Stars RIC VII Lyons242 Left


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RI Commem Urbs Roma AE Follis Thessalonika 330-333 CE She-Wolf Rom-Rem stars S 16516R Left

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Hi All,

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SEVERUS ALEXANDER (11 Mar 222 - Mar 235 CE)
ALEXANDRIA, EGYPT Year 01 (222 CE)

Bi Tetradrachm
Size: 22x24 mm
Weight: 12.8 g
Axis: 00:00
Broucheion Collection R-1993-12-11.002

OBV: Severus Alexander laureate and draped bust. Legend: AKAIMAPAYPCЄVHPAΛЄXANΔPOC - ЄYCЄB. Dotted border.
REV: She-wolf facing left, head turned to look at suckling infants Romulus and Remus below her. Above: LA. Dotted border.
Refs: Emmett-3141.01; Geissen-2406; Dattari-4417var (legend); Milne-2884; Curtis-1107; BMC-1680-1681, pl xxiii; Mionnet-2597; see Vogt I-183f, 185; Vogt II-126
PROVENANCE: Ex-Nick Economopoulos

Note: Although a familiar symbol of Rome's foundation legend, the she-wolf suckling Romulus and Remus was, as far as I know, never used as a type on Severus' Rome coinage.

- Broucheion

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On 11/26/2022 at 2:06 PM, John Conduitt said:

Barbarous Imitation of a Commemorative VRBS ROMA, 335-339
image.png.c3f33a8b93220924d6fd8c09be275b62.pngEast Anglia imitating Lugdunum. Bronze, 14mm, 1.20g. Helmeted and mantled bust of Roma left; VRBS ROMA. She-wolf standing left, head right, suckling the twins Romulus and Remus; two stars above; •PLG (cf RIC VII, 242). Reportedly from the Nether Compton (Dorset) Hoard 1989.

Sure looks a lot like my first post does it not?

The weight is close too. I am thinking I have a Barbarous Imitation of a Commemorative VRBS ROMA too! I just took new images and replaced the old one. The wolfs ribs caught my eye. the twins look much alike.

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3 hours ago, thenickelguy said:

Sure looks a lot like my first post does it not?

The weight is close too. I am thinking I have a Barbarous Imitation of a Commemorative VRBS ROMA too! I just took new images and replaced the old one. The wolfs ribs caught my eye. the twins look much alike.

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Yes they are remarkably similar. Yours must be an imitation. It's interesting they were found just across the English Channel from each other.

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Ostrogoths, Municipal Coinage Æ 40 Nummi. Rome, AD 526-534. INVICTA ROMA, draped bust of Roma to right, wearing crested helmet, pendant earring and necklace / She-wolf standing to left, head turned back to watch the two infants Romulus and Remus suckling; XL (mark of value) above, •||||• in exergue. MEC 1, 93-5. 13.39g, 25mm, 1h.

 

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OSTROGOTHS. Athalaric. Municipal Coinage. 526-534. Æ 20 Nummi – Half Follis (21mm, 4.31 g). Rome mint. [Helmeted and draped bust of Roma right] / She-wolf standing left, head right, suckling twins; above, Christogram between two stars; · X · X · in exergue. COI 84b; MIB 71c; MEC 1, 99.

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Good evening all, 

Sorry to dig up this thread but it is the perfect place to post my challenges when attributing a coin of this type.

I had always wanted a coin like this as I think it is quite an iconic reverse design and one I wanted an example of. My story begins a few months ago as I was looking through inexpensive LRBs to see if anything caught my eye. And sure enough, I stumbled upon this coin and decided to buy it. 

On arrival, I immediately photographed it and began trying to attribute it. I got quite far but was never able to confidently add the finishing touches. This is why I am asking the help of NVMIS FORVMS. I'll show you how far I got:

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First of all, I was quite confused by the many uses of the words 'plumed' and 'crested'. I would love to find out exactly what these words describe and how they differ.

 

Also, how would I go about establishing the coin's RIC value? This is because all of the examples I have seen and their respective RIC values only seem to differ when you consider the mint date of the coin (which may be wrong above...)

 

Finally, I'm pretty sure that there are two stars (but the left one is worn and scratched). Is this correct?

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Thank you for reading. I would highly appreciate any help.

 

Most importantly, I wish everyone a very MERRY CHRISTMAS! 😃🎄

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4 hours ago, Hughie Dwyer said:

Also, how would I go about establishing the coin's RIC value?

This is a question that is, for me, more complicated that it looks. Roma does not appear to wear a plumed helmet; mintmark SMKA without any other characters before or after so from what I see there are 2 options - RIC VII Cyzicus 90 or 105. 

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(UR D3 l means Roma, wearing imperial mantle, left). 

A LRB specialist might clarify - as I really don't see the difference between these two entries. 

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2 hours ago, ambr0zie said:

 

A LRB specialist might clarify - as I really don't see the difference between these two entries. 

 

Cyzicus 90 has a mintmark of SMKA; while 105 has a mintmark of •SMKA

 

 

 

here are two of my latest examples--

 

 

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VRBS ROMA
A.D. 332- 333
17mm 2.5g
VRBS-ROMA; Roma, helmeted, wearing imperial cloak; helmet decorated with a palm branch (or feather) and a volute on the bowl.
Rev.- She-wolf left with twins (Romulus and Remus); above, two stars.
In ex. TR•S
RIC VII Trier 542


This appears to be the only known example of Roma with a decorated helmet for the entire series.

 

 

 

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VRBS ROMA BEATA
A.D. 337
17mm 2.0g
Obv. VRBS ROMA BEATA; helmeted and mantled bust of Roma left.
Rev. She-wolf left with twins (Romulus and Remus); above, wreath between two stars.
In ex. branch R Q branch
RIC VIII Rome 55

Struck during the three month interregnum after the death of Constantine I

 

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Since that thread last popped up I've added another "wolf and twins" too

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Anonymous, Denarius - Rome mint, 115/114 BCE
Head of Roma right in winged and crested corinathian helmet, X behind, [ROMA] below
Helmeted Roma seated right on pile of shields, holding spear, two birds flying in field, she-wolf to right suckling twins at Roma's feet.
3,93 gr
Ref : RCV # 164, RSC # 176, Crawford # 287/1

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6 hours ago, Victor_Clark said:

Cyzicus 90 has a mintmark of SMKA; while 105 has a mintmark of •SMKA

 

You are absolutely correct! And this is also clearly specified in OCRE but checking this at 3 AM was not the best idea. 

But just for my knowledge (and everybody else's) where do you see the •SMKA vs SMKA difference in RIC? I only checked the bust type. 

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