lim Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 On 11/26/2024 at 1:08 AM, Kaleun96 said: Which description? Are you referring to Le Rider's book? Please try to be specific with your comments as it can be difficult to know what you're referring to sometimes. The first, second, and fourth coin are all from Arados and have an "AP" monogram, which in Greek would read as "AR" for "Arados". Similar to how ΔA was used for Damaskos or ΣI for Sidon. The third coin, the one from Tarsos, just used A and B control marks early in its series. The coins were likely struck in parallel, one set of types with an "A" letter beneath the throne and another set of types with a "B" letter beneath the throne. This likely had no meaning of any real importance, simply just a way to designate either separate mint "officina" within Tarsos or some other bureaucratic reason. Most of the time, the symbols, control letters, or monograms on these coins had no greater meaning that we're aware of, or if there was a greater meaning it is nearly impossible for us to determine. I don't understand it anyway. Why did you take the coin to Arad Byblos? You have the same price as Arad. 1 Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 4 hours ago, lim said: I don't understand it anyway. Why did you take the coin to Arad Byblos? You have the same price as Arad. I believe I answered this for you previously. The tool uses Martin Price's attributions (which is what the PELLA website uses), not our current understanding of where the coins were minted. Quote
NewStyleKing Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 Yeah, but Price was ages ago! I just see on hoards like Gaziantep and Demetrios l hoards analysis new finds and interpretations. And they are maybe 20 years old. Does anyone go through the latest info and assesses it and up dates things? It's otherwise a bit like Barclay Head on the NewStyle silver coinage of Athens 1905 edition! Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, NewStyleKing said: Yeah, but Price was ages ago! I just see on hoards like Gaziantep and Demetrios l hoards analysis new finds and interpretations. And they are maybe 20 years old. Does anyone go through the latest info and assesses it and up dates things? It's otherwise a bit like Barclay Head on the NewStyle silver coinage of Athens 1905 edition! That's the ultimate goal! But before I get to that point I need to create a backend UI for easily and conveniently updating the Price attributions and fixing mistakes in Price and those introduced when the data was added to PELLA. I could start doing it now but it would be very ad hoc and I wouldn't be able to track what changes I've made. There's hundreds of corrections to make so I want to do it properly. Ideally I'll publish a "changelog" so both myself and other people can see where I've changed/corrected Price/PELLA. I have a similar tool for my own collection (screenshot below) but rather than just copy it I want to create a more general database tool so I can add more databases on the fly to manage die studies, create forgery archives, and so on. 1 1 Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 1 minute ago, lim said: Here I found it I'm really not sure what you're asking. Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 36 minutes ago, lim said: Here I found it I found the webpage you're referring to: https://phoeniciancoins.wordpress.com/2015/10/10/price-3426-byblos/ Is your question: why did Price attribute all the types to Byblos when some belong to Arados and some belong to Byblos, as per the argument being made on that webpage? I can only say that the argument on that webpage has no evidence to support it as far as I am aware. Lloyd Taylor completed a die study of the types long ago and there's no apparent break in the series that would suggest a different mint depending on whether the "P" of the monogram is rendered at the top of the "A" or slightly down the side of the "A". I think this person's argument is just wishful thinking. Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 21 minutes ago, lim said: Is this coin Arados or Byblos? Arados Quote
lim Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 Can you give me an example of what Byblos looks like? Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 1 minute ago, lim said: Can you give me an example of what Byblos looks like? All the Price 3424 and Price 3426 examples attributed to Byblos actually belong to Arados. Quote
lim Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 It turns out that there were no coins of Byblos? Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 10 · Member Author Posted January 10 Just now, lim said: It turns out that there were no coins of Byblos? Only Price 3421 is still attributed to Byblos. Though, in some more recent research, Lloyd Taylor determined that the types that Price attributed to Berytos should instead be attributed to Byblos. In summary: Price 3406-3420 move from Berytos to Byblos and Price 3424-3426 move from Byblos to Arados. 1 Quote
lim Posted January 10 · Member Posted January 10 The coin is similar to the early coinage of Tyre Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 (edited) Article on Arad coins: https://zenodo.org/records/5812434 On the Reattribution of some Byblos Alexanders to Arados II Edited January 11 by lim Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 11 · Member Author Posted January 11 (edited) 8 hours ago, lim said: Article on Arad coins: https://zenodo.org/records/5812434 On the Reattribution of some Byblos Alexanders to Arados II FYI that's the article I linked you a few posts ago here and a few months ago in this same thread here. I enjoy discussing Alexander's coins with you but sometimes it seems that you don't always read my replies. Edited January 11 by Kaleun96 Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 I'm reading your answers. But he is not able to perceive everything at once. Therefore, we have to read the material again. Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 And this coin is Byblos? The portrait is different here. 1 Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 (edited) Newell wrote about the Arados coins, which were minted for military and civilian purposes. Which coins are attributed to where is interesting? Edited January 11 by lim Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 11 · Member Author Posted January 11 1 hour ago, lim said: And this coin is Byblos? The portrait is different here. Why do you think this coin is Byblos? See my comment here. Can you please clearly explain your thinking in each comment. It is very difficult to understand what you are trying to say because you use a translator and write in short sentences. Your comment here makes zero sense as it seems like you have not read any of our previous discussion from yesterday on this exact topic. Fully explain your thinking when you reply next, please write at least a couple of sentences to detail exactly what you are saying rather than just posting a short comment. It is extremely difficult to understand what you are saying most of the time because you write in very short replies and there's not enough context to your replies for me to understand what it is you're trying to say. Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 It says here about military coinage of Arados coins and civilian coinage. So I asked you, do you have any information about this? https://zenodo.org/records/5812434 Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 11 · Member Author Posted January 11 8 minutes ago, lim said: It says here about military coinage of Arados coins and civilian coinage. So I asked you, do you have any information about this? https://zenodo.org/records/5812434 Please answer my questions replying to your other message first. Please explain what you meant by "And this coin is Byblos? The portrait is different here."? You have a habit of changing the topic without responding to my comments on your previous questions and this makes it very difficult to have a conversation with you because I have no idea whether you have understood what I have said or just chosen to ignore it. Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 That coin of Ptolemy's time 1. That's why I asked if it was minted in Byblos or in Arad? Quote
Kaleun96 Posted January 11 · Member Author Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, lim said: That coin of Ptolemy's time 1. That's why I asked if it was minted in Byblos or in Arad? And as I said an hour ago, see my comment from yesterday where I already addressed this: I'm sorry @lim but I can't continue to have these discussions with you, they just go around in circles. I can't understand you and you don't seem to be able to understand me. Every time we talk we have the same issues: you seemingly do not understand anything I am saying and repeat the same questions over and over that have already been answered. I'm sure if you spoke English fluently, or I Russian, we could have a meaningful conversation but currently that is not possible due to the language barrier. If you want to continue talking about the coins of Arados and Byblos, please start a new thread and don't reply here. Someone else might be able to help you. 2 1 Quote
lim Posted January 11 · Member Posted January 11 You made the database yourself, where Byblos and Arad coins are described incorrectly. That's why I had to ask you questions. If you had everything correctly stated, I would not have asked you anything at all. 2 Quote
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