TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted May 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 30, 2022 http://www.byzantinecoins.net/ I figured I would share this here! I'm not sure how many late byzantine collectors there are on k321387 but I am actively compiling a fake database for the era. Sadly most auction houses don't know anything about these coins and firms as nice as NAC sell the worst fakes I have ever seen. My website is designed to help the collector avoid all fakes known to me. I've got maybe 50 or so up right now which makes it the largest for this era already. Each fake "family" is classified by a number and multiple letters. Fake 1a would be the first example of the type, 1b the second and so on. There will be more added as I come across them. Let me know what you think and if there are any fakes you have run across which I haven't listed! I had no idea there we so many fake basilikons😟. Any help would be appreciated. I'm hoping to make this a well known resource that saves late byzantine collectors some money 13 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientNumis Posted May 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) Wow, thanks for sharing. I'm sure this will be useful to lots of collectors here, and it looks like you've done an awesome job so far! Edited May 30, 2022 by AncientNumis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted May 30, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 minute ago, AncientNumis said: Wow, thanks for sharing. I'm sure this will be useful to lots of collectors here, and it looks like you've done an awesome job so far! Thanks! I am also working on having my collection hosted on the same site as well as a general catalogue. There are so many unpublished types that the collectors need a new system! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AncientNumis Posted May 30, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheTrachyEnjoyer said: Thanks! I am also working on having my collection hosted on the same site as well as a general catalogue. There are so many unpublished types that the collectors need a new system! Would love to see your collection on there! I would definitely spend a while looking through them - your coins are so fascinating in many ways. 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glebe Posted May 31, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 31, 2022 I had a quick look at your catalog of Nicaean and Palaeologan fakes. Most of them look OK to me - if you are going to condemn coins you will need to give reasons - e.g, if two coins from the same dies have identical flans it's reasonable conclude that at least one of them is a cast copy of some host. And so on, but we have to see the evidence. Regarding Palaeologan Fake 15, it is generally thought that this type is simply a provincial version of Sear 2472 rather than a modern fake. For another example from the same dies see below. Also below are two more examples of the type from a different pair of dies. Incidentally Palaeologan Fake 12a seems to be a fourree, so I wouldn't call it a (modern) fake. Ross G. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrachyEnjoyer Posted May 31, 2022 · Member Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Glebe said: I had a quick look at your catalog of Nicaean and Palaeologan fakes. Most of them look OK to me - if you are going to condemn coins you will need to give reasons - e.g, if two coins from the same dies have identical flans it's reasonable conclude that at least one of them is a cast copy of some host. And so on, but we have to see the evidence. Regarding Palaeologan Fake 15, it is generally thought that this type is simply a provincial version of Sear 2472 rather than a modern fake. For another example from the same dies see below. Also below are two more examples of the type from a different pair of dies. Incidentally Palaeologan Fake 12a seems to be a fourree, so I wouldn't call it a (modern) fake. Ross G. Thanks for the feedback! it had initially started as a private catalogue which is why most don’t have an explanation but this is something I will add. Thanks for your advice here and I will reconsider these coins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quant.geek Posted May 31, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 31, 2022 Why not consider adding the coins to https://coins.labarum.info/en/catalog? They have grown leaps and bounds since the last time I used them. I am hoping they will add Bulgarian coins and if so, I'll send some of my coins over there to add to the catalog... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severus Alexander Posted May 31, 2022 · Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2022 Great resource! I'm really nervous buying late Byzantine silver, there are so many fakes out there. If you, @Glebe, and @quant.geek were to collaborate on this I think it would be FABULOUS. 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glebe Posted May 31, 2022 · Member Share Posted May 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Severus Alexander said: Great resource! I'm really nervous buying late Byzantine silver, there are so many fakes out there. If you, @Glebe, and @quant.geek were to collaborate on this I think it would be FABULOUS. 👍👍 There were a number of late Byzantine silver basilika on the market a few years ago, many of which can be found on the Forum Ancient Coins site here: Fake Byzantine Coins - Dr. Ilya Prokopov's Fake Ancient Coin Reports (forumancientcoins.com) Note that these were generally cast copies of known or unknown genuine coins. Edited May 31, 2022 by Glebe Extra info 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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