Hesiod

2 hours ago, DonnaML said:

particularly known for Roman Alexandrian coins for whatever reason

Probably because they've been dispersing the coins from Dattari-Savio for a decade now

2 hours ago, Deinomenid said:

Long shot, but the man who sold a huge number of these types in this sale might be able to help as he's supposedly a true expert.

He is unfortunately deceased (as of about two weeks before the kunker sale) and so is Museler who almost certainly would have been able to help and had published the collection before =(

I think the image embed failed, but congrats!

On 3/3/2024 at 8:22 PM, rasiel said:

Maybe with a change of management they can get on the long road to recovery.

But why bother buying the company when the name and reputation is probably more poisoned then just starting a new company from scratch?

13 hours ago, Deinomenid said:

Many thanks for  posting this @Broucheion. I'd  heard about the human sacrifice  there, but  not this. Amazing. I look on the  Ephorate site occasionally as there's some great stuff though  with tantalizing lack of  detail usually. Though it's  worth it just  to say "Ephorate"! To be fair, there's way more information given in Greek.

The Elis coins are  my favourite even though  gold more shiny.

 

As they are hoard coins from Kydonia,  I hope it's appropriate to post a hoard  coin from there of my own.

 

Crete. Cydonia. AR Stater, obverse die signed by Neuantos (10.75g), ca. 330 BC. Le Rider 1966, 9.18 (this coin); Svoronos 9.3. Very rare. Attractively toned. Broad flan. Usual metal flaws. 1953 Phaestus hoard (IGCH 152).
 

 

 

You won that one? I think I bid on it, though it's been a bit so I can't recall. I did win the next lot so I guess we're auction buddies in a way 😀

3 minutes ago, panzerman said:

I got one coin from MA-shops (EL 1/48 Stater/ Lion Head/) that was in N&N London holder. The coin had provenances going back to 1950s. I looked at more in recent auctions/ but got creamed in bidding frenzy. They are getting better known!

John

I'm curious what the coin is and what provenances it had?

31 minutes ago, Rand said:

Is there a lack of competition?

I think in this case it's because their competition raised their fees already

Three of those coins are quite rare (6 - Stymphalos, 7 - Argolis, and 20 - Thebes) but the others look fairly common for the area

14 minutes ago, idesofmarch01 said:

I was fortunate to win my first Greek coin, a mythological-themed coin that I have long sought but have had difficulty finding in a condition that adequately illustrates the myth.

Details will follow.  Don't know if I want to wait until the coin is in hand, or reveal it early.

I'm personally excited to see what you won!

44 minutes ago, DonnaML said:

This may be a stupid question, but I've always wondered whether there's any good reason to stop at the tables of any of the major auction houses that attend NYINC every year. (The only one not present this year is Roma, for obvious reasons.) Except for the few like CNG that also have fixed price lists (Leu and Nomos both came out with FPLs the day before NYINC began last year, but I've seen no signs of them this year), none seems to have coins out for sale.  I suppose it might be worthwhile to stop by if you want to say hello or discuss upcoming auctions or have coins to consign, but otherwise, why bother? 

Nomos sent out an email saying they'd provide a FPL.

In general (though I haven't gone personally), some of the auction houses have inventory not listed online as well –– I've had friends who've gone sent me pictures of coins from Gorny and one of the nordic auction houses (I want to say Bruun, but i can't recall).

Best way is to build or have access to a photo file. Your method is looking for pedigrees others have found and then forgotten which is on the rare side for better firms as they'll look for prior listings of a coin on the search engines

Roma's handle at Nomos used to be Nibelung. I haven't kept track recently. 

8 minutes ago, Prieure de Sion said:

CNG also has a mid-range auction today, but they photographed their group lots from both sides!

Leu has never photographed the reverses and tends to do "piled up" photos. CNG doesn't photograph all coins for larger group lots. They're pretty consistent in this

I don't usually bother with private collectors, but nowadays I mostly only see them on reddit as I've been not reading as much other media. For auctions, I'll send them an email with the reasoning and call it a day (and whine to people who I might have discussed the coin with if it's ignored)

56 minutes ago, kirispupis said:

It's a Biddr auction that doesn't allow proxy bids and so the routine is simple.

Naumann is more of a high secret minimum then shill bid to maximum house, imo. I've been underbidder for coins that have gotten relisted on several occasions

On 11/5/2023 at 11:46 AM, Deinomenid said:

just have to manually write down the bidder numbers through an auction and add it up?

You have to do it manually unfortunately. I wasn't paying attention to bidder numbers this time around but the sale didn't feel nearly as heinous as the previous one

When two whales want a coin really badly...

I have the same reaction about the kroton stater (https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=7084&lot=1033) going for 13k

1 hour ago, kirispupis said:

but not its earlier coinage.

They did, though rare:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4382464

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=7115&lot=407

5 minutes ago, Salomons Cat said:

@Väinämöinen, in Swiss legislation, the phrase "From a Swiss collection, formed before 2005" protects the customer and not the auction house.

Out of curiosity, does this apply to the same statement but European instead of Swiss?

(And no, I did not provide the savoca linkage myself)

4 minutes ago, El Cazador said:

20 minutes ago, Hesiod said:

 

Can we ask what you consigned with them?

I've mentioned it on the other leu thread, bunch of random stuff – Phaistos Stater, other random Greek, bunch of Roman Provincials, bunch of tiny kyzikene fractions. Any specific coins you'd be asking about? 

An example of a cheap coin they found a provenance for (which isn't that easy since Savoca doesn't provide any text in their blue auction listings) : https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?lot=989&p=lot&sid=6942 

2 minutes ago, kirispupis said:

I see the attribution is from 2012

This is the date of the work which is used to attribute the coin. It is unrelated to the coin in question.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=10548540

This is the listing where it sold in Bucephalus, 5 months prior.

I have no idea what you're looking at for the other coin.

Unless you think the coin was consigned by the consignor to bucephalus and bought back and then sent to Leu. Seems highly unlikely to me (there's a hoard of these and this seems to be one of them. Also who is consigning to Bucephalus?)

6 minutes ago, sand said:

Perhaps someone could tell me the information, especially any proof, that the coins were stolen.

No proof was provided, merely the allegation from Ken (in the second post). Not sure where the specific coin list is from

3 minutes ago, Salomons Cat said:

Leu has absolutely no obligation to do any investigations. As long as the circumstanced are not suspicious (this would be, for example, a new Eid Mar aureus), I believe that they wouldn't even be obliged to ask anything about provenance at all.

When I consigned with them they certainly went out of their way to find any and all sales history for the coins I provided

16 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

. It's just their chosen stock phrase which they copy and paste onto listings,

They have listings with no provenance claimed whatsoever (just empty on the section), and 2005 is a claim specific which is unlike "the property of a gentlemen" or "the collection of a Romanophile". The problem with the baron dominique claim was that is also specific and (apparently?) verifiable