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Welp, I'm officially never bidding at Katz the rest of my life. 

Might send them a nasty email over it, too. 

That's some bullshit. 

2 hours ago, DonnaML said:

3 & 9? I'm reluctant to pigeonhole myself, but the others don't really fit me quite as well. Although I do enjoy researching coins I buy, I have no ambitions to make new discoveries. And I admit that for certain limited series (e.g., Hadrian's Travel Series, the Gallienus Zoo Series, the Philip I SAECVLARES AVGG Series, etc.), I like to try to obtain as many different types as possible. So I suppose there are elements of 7 and 1 in me, too.

I'd love to know if anyone ever admits to being Type 6!

Donna, if you aren't a researcher then I don't know who is!!!

JK - I get your point that the definition provided maybe doesn't fit your collecting goals. But your research posts are an incredible source of information and I always enjoy reading your roman republican write-ups. 

I won this denarius from moneyer Lucius Aurelius Cotta, Cr. 314.

A type I've been after for a while now, with a distinctive design and a very interesting allusion to the moneyer's ancestor's victory in the First Punic War. C. Aurelius Cotta, c. 252, captured Lipara, the coinage of which commonly featured Vulcan as this coin does.

A little less common and rarely as well centered and struck as this example so I am really happy to have it!

On 7/2/2023 at 6:24 PM, DonnaML said:

When my son was an undergraduate at the U of Chicago, we visited the Art Institute a few times when I was in Chicago to see him. A wonderful museum. As is the Oriental Institute at the University in Hyde Park.

I live in Chicago, Donna and you are exactly right. Both excellent museums. The Oriental Institute is not a huge space physically, but wow is it packed with some amazing artifacts. The giant winged Lamassu sculpture is utterly breathtaking. 

Interestingly, I read recently that the institute changed its name to The Institute for the Study of Ancient Cultures, West Asia & North Africa (ISAC for short).  

Art Institute is a world class museum as well and is a great spot to bring non-ancient history nerds, because they have so much famous and beautiful art in addition to ancient artifacts. Great way to spend an afternoon. 

Wow, insane catch on your part. Did you just remember the Leu auction, or did you come across it on acsearch looking for price comps and recognize the coin?

Honestly makes you wonder, as the repair is impressive and I would never have noticed without the "before" photo. Definitely a shame 

I'll admit I haven't read this whole thread, but here are my 2 thoughts on provenance:

1) The notion that provenance should be required legally or by norms in the collecting community, or that coins without provenance are substantially less desirable, is worrisome to me. There's no doubt that this trend is on the rise, and it has been the case for years now that in certain situations (transporting coins internationally, etc.) it is indeed legally required.

I understand all the reasons why, but the fact that this trend has bled onto coins that are legally "jailbroken" from MOUs, etc. is a problem. It is not reasonable or beneficial, in my view, to pursue a system where every coin in every collection globally has traceable provenance or is otherwise tainted. 

2) All that said, provenance can be extremely interesting and therefore valuable. I don't understand the comments here from people saying they don't care. Maybe they have in mind the above issue. But I don't see how you can be interested in history (which is really the genesis for any interest in numismatics) and NOT be fascinated to know specific ownership history of your coins, especially if they were owned by prominent collectors or historical figures.

In other words, if you think a piece of ancient Greek or Roman history is cool, how do you not find a piece of Greek/Roman history owned by former US President John Quincy Adams 2x as cool?? (Just a random example)

As most others seem to be saying, I do a mix. 

Obverse up probably 75% of the time, but totally willing to go reverse-up for coins where the reverse is significantly more attractive, interesting, or important. 

I even rotate between the two for any given coin, both based on whims ("Suddenly, I feel like looking at the reverse of my quadrigatus more than I feel like looking at the obverse") and intentionally for certain coins for toning purposes 

Not a particularly recent datapoint, but I did email with him and purchase books from him on Vcoins in late July '22. 

2 hours ago, Valentinian said:

I don't support the idea of a fakes forum here because there are already other places that discuss fakes and it is better to not have to look in umpteen places. There is a email list, the CoinForgeryDiscussionList
https://groups.io/g/CFDL/messages
that exposes fakesellers.

There is a large site on forgeries: ForgeryNetwork:
http://forgerynetwork.com/
I recommend fakes be published there.

There are two sites that list eBay fakesellers:
http://augustuscoins.com/ed/fakesellers.html

and the site hosted by Forum Ancient Coins:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0

EDIT:  A better URL for that:  https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/

We at NF are a small subset of ancient-coin collectors. If we have something to contribute, let's do it somewhere where the impact will be greater, such as pages already in existence. 

I think this is actually a fantastic argument in favor of having a subforum or some sticky threads - because I wasn't aware of all of these resources. 

Also, as another poster mentioned, some of these look out of date and there are new batches of fakes appearing on the market all the time.

Why not have a place to centralize external resources, and if people want to post updates or discuss recent fakes, ask for authenticity checks, even if some of that is redundant with other resources, all the better. 

Definitely support a fakes subforum w/ stickies for each major collecting area, or whatever other format would make it easy to pin specialized lists, resources, content, etc. 

This is awesome! you have such a great collection. 

I think I'm most jealous of your L. Memmius, your Cerco, and your Fonteius.... awesome coins. 

I love your 287/1 anonymous as well - one of my favorite types - but I love my own example quite a bit so not as envious there 😄

Hey, I'll take it! A gladiator-focused show is not what I'd vote for first, but any high-quality Ancient Rome media is more than welcome in my book. I'm always wondering why they don't do more with how popular fantasy/sci-fi dramas have become. 

Hopkins is a master, so I'm hopeful this will end up being a good show. 

20 minutes ago, John Conduitt said:

Although isn't that the point of collecting? Otherwise, you just buy it all on day one. Done. What do I do now?

Well you still have to look around and wait for certain coins to become available. All I mean is that your focus would no longer be on shopping for price, you'd just be hunting for what you want. 

And to answer your question no, I don't think the sole aim of collecting is to accumulate coins; studying and enjoying the history of the coins is half the fun for me 

On 1/16/2023 at 7:41 AM, Furryfrog02 said:

I received their fixed price email, and though I am not the caliber of customer that Leu is selling to...I thought the prices were absolutely ridiculous. I guess the more money you have, the less sense you have. 

Either that, or once you reach a certain level of wealth, it is arguably rational to just overpay by $1,000 or $2,000 USD to get what you want than to spend hours diligently trolling Numisbids and Biddr for every new auction to find a better deal like the rest of us do... 

Ah, that'd be nice wouldn't it? Maybe one day...

1 hour ago, Deinomenid said:

Agreed! It made little sense to most  people. Though the Chicago  ANA coin theft incident was being used as an attempt to rally to his cause too. Maybe he was affected there.

Who knows. All I wanted to do was look at coins 😀

 

 

 

I wasn't aware of a theft incident at Chicago ANA - I was at that show on Saturday but didn't hear anything. What happened?

Good idea for a thread @DonnaML... curious to see where people buy the most

I didn't buy nearly as many coins as you did last year sadly! Hoping to get more in 2023. In fact the only auction house I bought from more than once from was Artemide Aste (2 coins). They have great republican stuff often, good pics, good service. 

Other auctions I bought from:

Kolner Munzkabinett

Kunker

Patrick Guillard

Olso Myntgalleri 

I had good experiences with all of them! Shipping to the US from Oslo was brutally expensive (about $45 or $50...) but I knew that going in and it was worth it because it was a much more expensive coin than I usually buy (a Quadrigatus), so the cost was proportionally less significant, and I got a good enough deal that it was worth it)

1 hour ago, KenDorney said:

I dont know, I've tried Discord and its just, well, insanity!  Pretty sure it will never amount to much.  There is here, Cointalk (which is another level of insanity), Forvm (which is largely dead, here or Reddit.  Reddit seems a decent place but not really user friendly like here.

Honestly, Numisforums seems like the place going forward.  

Yep makes sense. My coin resources these days are Numisforums, the discord being discussed here, and a couple Facebook groups. 

I would say the Discord is a great community, and it's a fun place to socialize with other collectors. I also find that the instant messaging format, in addition to encouraging a social experience, is nice for asking quick questions, especially asking for price checks or authenticity checks on specific coins at auction/retail. 

The traditional forum set-up like we have at Numisforums is probably more suitable for in-depth discussions. There are lots of very knowledgeable folks and good discussions on discord too, but the instant messaging format inevitably means you can't keep the group focused on one topic for too long.  

discord good. i've met some very knowledgeable and friendly people on there (my name is Poog on there, same avatar) 

@Richard Beale (owner, I believe? or manager) of Roma is an active member here - I'm sure he could tell you!

Bumping one more time to see if anyone has opinions

The consensus I'm hearing from people I trust is that it's 1) almost definitely authentic, and 2) that the edge filing is a minor, not a major, detractor from value. 

As I mentioned in my last post, if those 2 things are true I'll gladly keep the coin! I think it's beautiful and good value for what I paid, even with the filing, assuming authentic. 

Appreciate any and all input. Thanks

Kind of you to apologize!

Personally, I would be in favor of not having these types of dramatic events on the forum, or separate posts such as "I'm leaving" or this one, even though it is a nice apology. If people argue, I say mods just step in when it crosses a certain line and any further arguments and subsequent apologies can move to private message, in my opinion. Creating posts about it just kind of clogs up the forum and extends the event (again, recognizing that this a kind/conciliatory type of post)

Just my 2 cents!

5 hours ago, kevikens said:

Possibly looped or mounted at one time and adjustments to the edges to make it fit better. Images and the coin itself look good to me.

 

Thanks, I definitely agree and it has been suggested by 4-5 knowledgeable people I've asked that it was probably mounted previously 

One interesting nugget that was also offered up is that these Quadrigati issues also frequently have remnants of casting sprues on the flans, which would definitely need to be filed off for a jewelry setting. I think I see on my coin exactly where this may have taken place - right by the area where there is a chip/flan flaw on the obverse, about 8 o'clock on the obverse, the filing is most obvious and the flan feels a bit thicker at that point, as if there were a little nub filed down

In any case - I think as long as I can be confident 1) in authenticity, and 2) that the filing marks are only a minor detriment to its value, I'll keep the coin. I think it's a beautiful example otherwise and I got a good deal on it as long as the filing isn't more than a 10-20% hit to value. It doesn't bother me in the slightest, personally 

5 hours ago, Roerbakmix said:

What’s the weight? It’s not on forgery network.

6.50g

Hi Everyone, 

Today I received a coin that I am very, very excited about - a very nice roman republican quadrigatus. This is a coin I've dreamed of owning, one of my first "bucket list" coins I identified when I started collecting. 

Absolutely thrilled with the coin overall, it's beautiful! 

I did notice, however, that the edges look a bit odd - some sections that are angular with abrasions that really look like filing marks. Anyone have insights here - is this normal/common for quadrigati? The coin is clearly struck (not cast), appears authentic in every other way, and came from a solid auction house (and was last auctioned in 2006 at another reputable auction house), so I'm not terribly worried about authenticity.

But you can't be too careful. anyone have opinions on this - on authenticity or on whether the filed edges are normal/common?

Sorry the photos aren't very good - just doing my best with an older iPhone. 

6 minutes ago, KenDorney said:

I forgot to mention, because of a snafu my reference library is not in this sale but will be in another one.  Lots of rare books there.

wow, I'll be sure to take a look. 

Are you retiring Ken? Or just getting rid of extra stuff you don't use regularly. Hope your v-coins shop will remain open!